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ilovefall_50
Joined: 21 Jan 2008 Posts: 5
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:17 am Post subject: " |
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:31 am Post subject: |
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Well, first of all, at almost 23 you're fairly young. There are people on the forum and in the field in their 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s... Does your family just think you'll be traipsing around without a care in the world? This is an actual job, and you may well end up working a 40-hour week. If you've got a background in education, then what sort of "real" job would they expect you to do, if not teach?
If you denied yourself the chance to travel while you were in school, then TEFL could be an exciting opportunity for you. You get to experience the world in quite a different way from the way that a tourist would. I'm sorry that your family doesn't support you.
I do think you should have a bit of money saved up, but I wouldn't go so far as to say you're an idiot if you don't! Just to protect yourself in case you end up in a bad school and want out, try to make sure that you have enough saved up not only for the first month or so (while waiting for that first paycheck) but also for a plane ticket back home, and then some sort of financial cushion to return home to.
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Anda

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 2199 Location: Jiangsu Province
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:36 am Post subject: Um |
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Well my bit of advice is to not move untill you have teacher accreditation in your home country. Teachers at international schools get very good money which is normally a lot better than your average English teacher. Also it can open up more countries for work. If you have more money and more time off you can have a much better life. English teachers if anything are in over supply these days. If the Western economies collapse then they will be two bob a dozen so to speak.
The Institute is responsible for recognition of teachers� professional capacity against professional teaching standards. To be eligible for accreditation to teach in a school you require a degree and an initial teacher education qualification or an education degree. Degree discipline knowledge must be related to the area in which you intend to teach
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&q=International+schools&btnG=Search
International school - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaInternational schools are schools that cater mainly to children who are not nationals of the host country, often the children of the staff of international ...
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Insubordination

Joined: 07 Nov 2007 Posts: 394 Location: Sydney
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Parents and family enjoy telling you what you can't do. If you obey, then they are right. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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Too old to be living this sort of lifestyle? What exactly do they think this lifestyle is, and who should do it? You've just graduated, right? Do they expect a teacher (a real job the last time I looked; just ask anyone in your own country, and have them explain it to your friends/family) to be some sort of vagrant or hooligan? Perhaps they have an antiquated vision of a backpack, hippie-long hair, and ditchdigging...?
As long as you are vocationally and financially prepared for this (and it sounds like you are), then research areas where you want to go, and go. By the way, I'm probably as old as your parents and got into this not all that long ago. |
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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:33 am Post subject: Re: "You're an idiot" |
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ilovefall_50 wrote: |
My parents think I'm an idiot because I will only have enough money to buy a plane ticket and survive until I find a job.
My parents (and my entire family- grandparents, aunts, cousins) think I'm too old (almost 23) to be living this kind of lifestyle and that I need to grow up and get a "real" job. I just want to hear how you guys deal with family members who think you're an idiot. |
Though neither of my parents had the chances I've had to teach and live abroad, they always encouraged me to do what I wanted as long as I had reasonable expectations of finding enough work to support myself. The rest of my family were equally supportive; in fact, once my aunt lent me the money I needed to move back to Mexico during a difficult period in my life. I'm sorry that your family can't do the same for you. You might ask them what sort of "lifestyle" they imagine you would be taking up if you move overseas and what constitutes a "real" job to them. Perhaps a helpful dialogue might ensue.
As one of the more senior members of this on-line community, perhaps some words from me might help your parents (and other relatives) to stop worrying so much about your future and let you take off unfettered by unwelcome family fears for unknown foreign shores.
Good luck! |
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johnsmither
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 43
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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I am over twice your age, so if you are too old then what does that make me?
I have only been teaching for 2 years, I wish had had given up my proper job years ago, I had enough of the stress of normal life and although my earnings are a fraction of what they were my lifestyle is much better.
I can only say to you to do what you feel is right, personally I would go if I was in your position, just have enough cash to get yourself out of wherever you get to in case you feel the need to move elsewhere. |
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wildchild

Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 519 Location: Puebla 2009 - 2010
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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no sense arguing with your parents; with the positions they are supporting, nothing you can say will change their mind; ignore them but do it with a smile, you might need them later.
ignore them, do what YOU want |
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Extraordinary Rendition

Joined: 09 Feb 2008 Posts: 127 Location: third stone from the Sun
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Anda is right on target. Have you got certified teacher status from your home country (i.e., to teach in primary schools and secondary schools)? If not, I believe his advice, and I would second it, would be to do that NOW, while you are young and have the support of your family. That status will enhance your marketability for a lifetime. Once you have that, with your other credentials, my advice would be... (never mind, it wouldn't be polite to say to a young woman). |
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wildchild

Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 519 Location: Puebla 2009 - 2010
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:35 am Post subject: |
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if she's ready to go now, then she should go. sticking around will only make her miserable. she can always come back and get the teacher accreditation later.
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chrisms86
Joined: 18 Jan 2008 Posts: 30
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:58 am Post subject: |
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I am not a teacher so I cannot speak to that aspect of your situation.
However, at 23 you are ripe for living abroad. Most every countryman I've met overseas was mid-to-late twenties and just finished school. Sure there are retirees and those older folks who quit the rat race, but I'd say the vast majority are people like you.
You've spent your whole life in school, you're young, go ahead and screw around for a while. Families always think traveling is weird or that you're out of touch with reality for wanting to do it. Do what YOU want to do. Because when it comes down to it, Mom and Dad and brother and sister are not the ones who have to sleep in your bed at night, do your work, and live your life. They might get a good feeling out of you finding "real work" but that doesn't mean anything to how, on a daily basis, you feel about what you're doing or what you could have done.
In the interests of full disclosure I am younger than you (21), but I've dealt with the same thing and have seen it all too often in the younger friends I've met overseas. They were having the time of their life abroad but felt like they were constantly being pulled back home unwillingly, some were able to resist and some weren't. |
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:56 am Post subject: |
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chrisms86 wrote: |
However, at 23 you are ripe for living abroad. Most every countryman I've met overseas was mid-to-late twenties and just finished school. Sure there are retirees and those older folks who quit the rat race, but I'd say the vast majority are people like you.
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At 21, you've probably only met young, fresh-out-of-college travelers because they're close to your own age. I wonder where you've been hanging out if they represent the vast majority of people that you've met. Trust me--there are "oldies" (do I count as an oldie at the ripe ol' age of 32?) who live, work, and travel abroad, too.
Your post really seems to support the OP's parents' contention--that the OP will simply be, as you said, screwing around. There is a lot more to this job than screwing around, drinking in pubs, etc.
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ilovefall_50
Joined: 21 Jan 2008 Posts: 5
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:07 am Post subject: |
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Thank you all for your replies.
I will have certification to teach in my state before I leave. I do plan to teach English or bilingual ed when I return.
Thank you for your suggestion about teaching in an international school. I think they usually want 2 years full-time teaching experience, but I will research that some more and see if I can find anything.
My parents are very concerned about money because they cannot support me or help me out financially at this time (and probably not ever again). |
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chrisms86
Joined: 18 Jan 2008 Posts: 30
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:17 am Post subject: |
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denise wrote: |
chrisms86 wrote: |
However, at 23 you are ripe for living abroad. Most every countryman I've met overseas was mid-to-late twenties and just finished school. Sure there are retirees and those older folks who quit the rat race, but I'd say the vast majority are people like you.
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At 21, you've probably only met young, fresh-out-of-college travelers because they're close to your own age. I wonder where you've been hanging out if they represent the vast majority of people that you've met. Trust me--there are "oldies" (do I count as an oldie at the ripe ol' age of 32?) who live, work, and travel abroad, too.
Your post really seems to support the OP's parents' contention--that the OP will simply be, as you said, screwing around. There is a lot more to this job than screwing around, drinking in pubs, etc.
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I'm sorry you misunderstood my post, I tend to use loose language like "screw around" and it only worsens situations I face that are similar to the OP.
I did say I met others besides young travelers, but again that is the majority that I have met. I have met plenty of older folks and am sure of their existence, but when it comes to language schools from my experience the teachers tend to be in their twenties. This was in Southeast Asia where you might expect that, I tend to think Latin America probably has a similar expat demographic.
I'm sure there is a lot more to the job, when I say "screwing around" I mean "doing what makes you happy regardless of long-term career prospects." That is, the OP wants to learn Spanish and live in Latin America, not something that you're going to come back from rich but something where you had fun while you did it, enjoyed yourself, or, in my words, "screwed around." Don't connect it to being a beach drunk. |
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Nabby Adams
Joined: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 215
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:30 am Post subject: |
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You left
Your tired family grieving
And you think they're sad because you're leaving
But did you see Jealousy in the eyes
Of the ones who had to stay behind ?
And do you think you've made
The right decision this time ?
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