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Racism in the Gulf
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mishmumkin



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't know how things are in Egypt, but I know that in the Gulf it's quite common for teachers who thought they were doing a fine job to suddenly be given their marching orders. The reason for the dismissal is usually as vague as the one you mentioned, as in "not reaching our teaching standards" or something else which has little to do with the 'real reason' the person was sacked.


Oh, it absolutely happens, Cleo. And I've known of other situations in which it could have gone both ways. I just don't believe this was one of them. Like VS suggested, I think someone who mattered complained. The fact that they were trying to force a resignation vs. just firing him added to it.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Racism in Saudi is linked with class. Within the same social class there is definitely a hierarchy (it probably goes Saudi or GCC, Westerner, Black, other Arab, Philippino, Black, South Asian) but an upper-middle class Bangladeshi will be considered superior to a lower class Saudi.

Note that I put Blacks in two places. That is because the average working black in Saudi was a Sudani, Somali or Eritrean middle class professional. They kept the banking sector working for a long time before Saudiization, and are still well represented in the Education Sector. On the other hand you also have the West African overstayers that are such a problem in Jeddah.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Using the term 'black' in the list makes it a bit simplistic though. What about an African-American? Or an African with a British passport? How about a Saudi (or other GCC national or Egyptian) who looks African rather than Arab? I expect that passport sometimes trumps race.

Wheels within wheels...

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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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an upper-middle class Bangladeshi will be considered superior to a lower class Saudi.


I disagree.

In my experience, any Saudi, whatever their skin-tone or tribal affiliation, will always have higher status than any Asian. Or even any "Westerner".
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007



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where do you find Classlessness in this world?
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mishmumkin



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

007 wrote:
Where do you find Classlessness in this world?


You don't, do you? Sad I guess in starting this thread I was just hoping to find where an African-American family would feel most comfortable in the Gulf. I wish we could get some first-hand feedback.
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sliim



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:10 pm    Post subject: Racism in the ME Reply with quote

Just thought I'd put my two cents in...

Racism is a difficult thing to gauge anywhere you go. I knew an African American who lived and worked in Yemen and was loved and accepted by most of the people he knew. At the same time, there was an institute in the city where we worked that would never hire him because he was black--not that the admin had any problems with "blackness," no, no, ukhm, but the students--yes that was it--the students wanted white native speakers. Funny, I never knew any of his students who felt that way.

That said, there are troubling and sad truths about the way some foreign workers are treated in the ME, and underlying race issues often have something to do with it. Sudanese and Somali workers in Saudi have a hard time, for example, while many foreign teachers see first hand the way some local staff is treated. Much is in need of improvement, and things need to be done about it, no doubt.

I haven't taught in Oman, but, as has been mentioned above, I have heard good things.

So, with regards to finding a good place to work, sometimes the only way to really know is to try. You may find people very accepting and you may not. Two people in the same city can have two radically different experiences and draw opposite conclusions about the very same place.

Hope your experience is a pleasant one.

Best,

Sliim
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Racism in the ME Reply with quote

sliim wrote:
I haven't taught in Oman, but, as has been mentioned above, I have heard good things.

Oman is almost always a positive exception to things in the Gulf, but I hope that we are not overstating. One problem is that all of us commenting are pretty 'white' and may not be able to detect the subtleties of the racism that exists wherever humans gather. The same as men being unable to detect the subtle (and not so subtle) sexism of most workplaces...

VS
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