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female American looking to teach in Krakow,Wroclaw or Gdansk
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scottie1113



Joined: 25 Oct 2004
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Location: Gdansk

PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't suggest going to Germany. It's in the zone and going there would do you no good. I said maybe Ukraine, but I really don't know. Maybe dyno does.

I've lived in a lot of places in the US but call the San Diego area. I doubt that I'll ever go back except to visit.
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pila



Joined: 25 Sep 2004
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Location: Cambridge, MA

PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oops. my apologies for the confusion!
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biffinbridge



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Location: Frank's Wild Years

PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: Polish visas etc Reply with quote

Is getting a Green Card any easier? Just wondering....
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scottie's tactic is absolutely useless these days regardless of how far you travel. You have to STAY OUT for 90 days. A trip to Ukraine or anywhere else won't work.
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scottie1113



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks spiral. I didn't know that but someone at my school sugested it to me as a way "beat the system". Guess it won't work. My question is why? Is Poland afraid of being inundated with folks from non EU countries? I'm afraid I just don't get it.
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YakTamer



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
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Location: Warszawa, Polska

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scottie1113 wrote:
My question is why? Is Poland afraid of being inundated with folks from non EU countries? I'm afraid I just don't get it.


It was a requirement for Poland in order to join the Schengen Zone.

The same applies to other new joiners like the Czech Republic, hence non-EU* citizens there having the same type of problem.

* Technically, it applies not to just EU citizens but to non-EU members of the Schengen Zone also, ie Switzerland and Liechtenstein, although I doubt there's many people from either of those countries plying their trade in Poland.
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ratsareeatingmybrain



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I understand it, you'd have to stay out of the Schengen zone for a full 90 days for it to 'start all over'. I'm sure I read that you can't be in the zone for more than 90 out of 180 days until your stuff's sorted.

This was all dealt with a few weeks ago, so if you scroll down the Poland page you're bound to find it.

What Dynow says about variations between different offices in Poland (tax, visa, anything) is 100% true, by the by. It's a complete lottery, it's infuriating but that's just the way it has been and is. Things have been changing so fast i guess that noone's got the foggiest what's going on.

In Krakow, the visa office in the foreign affairs building used to be in a room number 103 (not quite 101, but near enough) and whenever you went there, outside you met a group of people looking just as lost and helpless as you, with no idea of when or if they would get seen, and a stream of employees going up and down the hall as fast as they could desperately trying to avoid getting captured by one of us. You could be there 5 hours and get nothing done. They've moved it all downstairs now and it's better organised than it used to be, but the information gaps are still the same.
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dynow



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My question is why? Is Poland afraid of being inundated with folks from non EU countries? I'm afraid I just don't get it.


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It was a requirement for Poland in order to join the Schengen Zone.


1113, as YakTamer pointed out, yes, Poland was required to do this. BUT, one thing, though it may sound like a formality but may clarify things a little better, is that Poland 'signed' the Schengen "Treaty". It's a treaty, and countries that have signed and taken on this treaty, are now in the "Schengen Zone". A treaty requires people to follow rules, and the 90/180 rule is one of them.

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Is Poland afraid of being inundated with folks from non EU countries? I'm afraid I just don't get it.


certainly not. Poland is absolutely hungry for foreign investors and foreign money......signing the Schengen Treaty is in direct relation to that.

you may look at it as keeping others out of the country, therefore keeping the foreign investors/foreign money OUT, but what you must remember is that people that come here to work for big companies, they're not standing in line at the same offices we are, putting together paperwork, chasing landlords around, etc. They're hired outright, the company pays for their peripheral expenses/takes care of paperwork, and they're in. People like us, teaching for some private language school, don't have such a luxury.

besides, the 90/180 rule certainly doesn't effect the Brits coming to Krakow for a few days to blow a few hundred pounds on beer and food Wink
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scottie1113



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the clarifications. It's moot, as I pick up my residency card tomorrow. Finally.
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Master Shake



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pila,

Not trying to scare you away, but at my school in Gdansk non-Polish female teachers didn't seem to want to stay for too long. We had three who left after less than six months. One even broke her contract to leave. Now at my old school in Gdansk we only have one Finnish female teacher (aside from the female Polish teachers).

I have a funny feeling her days may be numbered.
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pila



Joined: 25 Sep 2004
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Location: Cambridge, MA

PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mastershake-- did they give any indications of why they were leaving? hmmm..makes one wonder...
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sparks



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All of the female teachers at any of the schools that I've ever worked at all left for the same reasons... Poland is too dark, grey, drab; Polish men aren't attractive; wasting time here.

A lot of the "career teflers" left for more exotic areas like the Far East, Southern Europe or somewhere in Central America.

You said that you like it here though so you should be fine.
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dynow



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All of the female teachers at any of the schools that I've ever worked at all left for the same reasons... Poland is too dark, grey, drab; Polish men aren't attractive; wasting time here.

A lot of the "career teflers" left for more exotic areas like the Far East, Southern Europe or somewhere in Central America.


couldn't agree more.

Poland for one is not for everyone, and I guess more appropriately.....not for most people. Poland takes thick skin, especially in the beginning. With that said, it's easier for a guy. He will, in general, adjust to Poland quicker (if he ever does), has an unlimited choice of beautiful women, is making enough money to do whatever he wants, and for guys that like Poland, that's usually enough.

Most Polish men leave much to be desired, and are broke. Not exactly family material, and this pushes alot of women out of here.

Secondly, Poland in my opinion is a bit of an acquired taste. for me, what makes Poland beautiful is the culture, the way people are towards their families and loved ones, the warmth that is shown between friends/family. this is something you can't see with a tour guide. i really was dead set on going to Poland when I left the states, but what is and will keep me here is the little things, the intangibles that I see everyday that I never saw back home, yet always craved.

to be honest, i don't think i would ever "encourage" a woman to come to Poland to teach English unless she spoke the language fluently, had been here previously, has family here, OR, at the very least, just married a really wealthy guy Very Happy
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pila



Joined: 25 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is really interesting information. I guess the reason I asked in the first place was that I suspected this to be the case. I do love Poland, and coming from a cold, dark and oftentimes unpleasant place (Northern New England) I'm use to the weather and the vibe of that climate. That said, I've been concerned that it will be hard for me as a woman.

I don't speak Polish, I do have family in the country (whom I don't know) but the prospect of being single for however long I intend to stay there is a little disheartening (and I don't anticipate my American boyfriend wanting to make the move.) Still, there is such a draw for me. I just don't know if I should consider other places to teach as well.

And marrying rich is never going to happen to this girl Wink
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sparks



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You said that you've been here before, so I guess that you have some idea about what it's like. As long as you don't have unrealistic expectations it will at least be a learning experience. I think that even for guys it takes at least a few years to really find your place and feel truly comfotable here. Learning the language well helps a lot, as does getting involved in other things besides hanging out in bars.

Give it a chance,
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