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Another UAEU salary rumour
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Iamherebecause



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:01 am    Post subject: Another UAEU salary rumour Reply with quote

OK, so can anyone quash or confirm the one about how all UAEU faculty are to get a 45% pay-rise on top of the 25% they got at the end of January? It has been gathering momentum for the last couple of weeks or so.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obviously you haven't read the other rumor thread that they are stopping hiring because of budget cuts... at all Higher Education establishments.

Now this is getting totally ridiculous.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This rumour is all over the university. Apparently the extra 45% is supposed to bring the initial 25% raise up to the 70% that other gov't employees got. I have also heard that it has already been approved, but discussions are underway as to if the additional increase should be 40% or 45%.

It's pretty wild and seems pie in the sky to me. But if it happens, I am going to stay here until retirement. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that this would be a shocking and irresponsible thing to do as it would just add fuel to the inflationary cycle in which we are. Wage restraint is the order of the day. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually it would not. Right now the majority of people who got the 70% were low on the pay scale and it allows them to pay for the basics - which may contribute to inflation.

To give it to foreign hire teachers, who are already very high on the pay scale would not. Most of these people will invest the money abroad, so it won't enter the local economy in the same way.

If you read the complaints here about the cut in pay because of inflation, invariably they say that they can barely save the $1000-3000 a month that they used to do.

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nomel



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's a high payscale for a teacher in Higher Education?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VS doesn't live here so doesn't really know how hard inflation plus the dollar peg bite. Everything has gone up; a Euro today costs more in dirhams (5.5) than a pound did back in 2000 (5.2 dhs; currently pound sterling is at approx 7.3 dirhams). I am not sure I know anyone with a normal lifestyle, e.g. has a family, likes a decent holiday once a year and a well-maintained reliable car, who has ever saved thousands a month, especially if they are from outside the dollar zone. Inflation affects everything from petrol to milk to shoes to hotels to restaurants small and large, and if you leave the UAE in the summer then the exchange rate clobbers you if you go to Oz, NZ, UK, Eurozone.

Meanwhile, back at UAEU (to return to the thread) the last pay-rise before the 25% was in 2000; and inflation has been in double figures for some time now. There are still people whose salaries are way behind those of more recently hired staff - that's the issue they really ought to tackle.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iamherebecause wrote:
VS doesn't live here so doesn't really know how hard inflation plus the dollar peg bite.

Another one who can't read. duh... Nowhere did I make any statement that there is no inflation nor that it doesn't effect teachers. But, if one reads the many posts here on the topic over the last couple years, there is one repeated complaint from the teachers. That with the inflation, they are unable to save as much as they used to. I have yet to read of a teacher tossed onto the street for not paying rent or not being able to buy food or educate their children.

Consequently if they get a raise, it is not going into the local economy which would spark more inflation... it will go to wherever they save and invest. Or it will go for fancier/more holidays which also will not affect local inflation as it too goes abroad.

Through the years, I have noted that basic economics was always been poorly understood by English teachers. I was arguing that another raise for UAEU (or HCT/ZU) teachers would NOT fuel more inflation... which is a fact.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nowhere did I make any statement that there is no inflation nor that it doesn't effect (sic) teachers


No, but you suggested it only affects savings. Not true. No way. It affects the end of every month especially if you have luxuries in your lifestyle such as children. University staff have accommodation provided so they are not going to get tossed onto the street, but inflation hits them in other ways.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iamherebecause wrote:
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Nowhere did I make any statement that there is no inflation nor that it doesn't effect (sic) teachers


No, but you suggested it only affects savings. Not true. No way. It affects the end of every month especially if you have luxuries in your lifestyle such as children. University staff have accommodation provided so they are not going to get tossed onto the street, but inflation hits them in other ways.

This is probably a compete waste of time, but... that is exactly what I said. Because some their expenses are higher, they have less to save. THUS, that is where teachers are cutting.

This confirms that a raise for expat teachers will have little, if any, effect on inflation. Did I mention that TEFL teachers are pretty dim when it comes to economics? More evidence...

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iamherebecause wrote:
It affects the end of every month especially if you have luxuries in your lifestyle such as children.


Whew! I never saw kids in that light before... Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the people who go on about how you can save a shedload here just as long as you don't have a maid, rarely if ever go out to eat etc tend to be single/childless in my experience. If there's more than one of you in a household, including growing children or teenagers, the rise in food prices is more of an issue, as is the rise in price of imported goods such as footwear or books, or the increase in taxi-fares, cinema tickets, you name it.

VS seems to have missed the points that 1) ardiles' message was tongue in cheek and 2) in terms of how it affects expat teachers, inflation not only affects how much or indeed if teachers can save but also their general expenditure. Telling that particular truth doesn't mean I don't understand economics.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:06 pm    Post subject: Don't cha mean affect, VS? Reply with quote

Not to be picky VS, but don't cha mean AFFECT? You said.....

Another one who can't read. duh... Nowhere did I make any statement that there is no inflation nor that it doesn't effect teachers.

http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_spelprob.html

Laughing [/b]
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Life is much too short to nitpick long posts Elie... if you can't figure it all out from context, too bad. If you have a few hours to kill, you could read a few thousand of my posts and find plenty more. I'm sure that every one of your posts have been and will be letter perfect. Laughing

And as I said... a waste of time trying to explain basic economics to TEFL teachers. Ardile may have been tongue in cheek, but his statement was accurate. Raising salaries does fuel inflation... for lower level employees who pour it all back into the economy. (and one should avoid commenting on a salary whine that includes referencing the maid... Rolling Eyes )

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al bidarnd



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
And as I said... a waste of time trying to explain basic economics to TEFL teachers. VS


Then why bother keep showing off your command of economics/accountancy on a TEFL site? There must be economics discussion boards that are a match for your knowledge that wouldn't waste your time.

I know lots of TEFL teachers who know a lot about economics. I'm an English teacher with a degree in economics. This derisory tar-brushing of TEFL teachers seems a trifle arrogant.
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