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Kootvela



Joined: 22 Oct 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:41 pm    Post subject: Books for Conversation Classes Reply with quote

I have been teaching a student who wanted conversation classes from September. I have been using a number of the Internet websites but I feel that the topics are finally becoming limited. We have been having individual lessons for 1,5 hour so that is pretty much intensive and she's intermediate.

I'm going to buy some books for conversation classes. I know two: Discuss it in English and Taboos and Issues. However, since they are expensive, I would like to buy a few more and get them shipped in bulk, so I don't have to buy again. Have you taught from the two mentioned book and what is your opinion about how teachable/ discussable they are? Could you add some more books on my list to consider?

Thanks!
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arioch36



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i wonder if the point has come where you really don't need books anymore?
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Tom Le Seelleur



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Kootvela

Reward Bus Resource Pack Starter
Reward Bus Resource Pack Elementary
Reward Bus Res Pack Pre-intermediate
Reward Bus Res Pack Intermediate
Reward Bus Res Pack Upper Intermediate
Clockwise Elementary Teacher's Resource Pack
Clockwise Pre-Inter Teacher's Resource Pack
Clockwise Inter Teacher's Resource Pack
Clockwise Upper-Inter Teacher's Resource Pack
Clockwise Advanced Teacher's Resource Pack

These are relatively cheap and used a lot here in Al Ain. I have also used them very suceesfully with all ranges of students, ages, language need, both general EFL and ESP. They are a lot of and save you zillions of hours of prep

Tom
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blackmagicABC



Joined: 03 Mar 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can also not use language books.
You could use books that are in the students field of interest. Discussing or learning in English woudl be more appropriate for the student if she is good enough to discuss it without guidance.
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Kootvela



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I DO need some material to base my lessons on, so having photocopiables seems just what I need. I'm tired of browsing the Internet and then adapting the material myself all the time; I'm looking for something ready-made.

I will suggest starting a book in English, so we can discuss chapter by chapter but I'm not sure this is what my student will like.
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blackmagicABC



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kootvela wrote:
Well, I DO need some material to base my lessons on, so having photocopiables seems just what I need. I'm tired of browsing the Internet and then adapting the material myself all the time; I'm looking for something ready-made.

I will suggest starting a book in English, so we can discuss chapter by chapter but I'm not sure this is what my student will like.

That is not really what I meant. Assuming the level is good enough you could buy a book on star signs and discuss people with different star signs. It should just be a discussion but there are interesting(if you want to call it that) things that you can memorize about star signs and many words to learn and use. Dont go chapter to chapter in a new book. It is boring as hell. Find a topic (star signs, gardening, world war 2 etc) and learn about it yourself with your student (make sure it is also their interest) or find a topic that the student is very good at and let the student explain your book to you. This should get them involved form their personal experience and bring the language to life. You don't have to tell them they are teaching you but in essence that is what they will be doing while learning the language at the same time. Language books in general are very boring.
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arioch36



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black magic has elaborated on my response. We don't know the exact level of your student. Should have new vocabulary words each time, a topic of interest. if you develop topics of interest, this may also lead your student to wanting to read english books (for pleasure) if you get your student to that point, teaching becomes easier and more interesting. you can also watch short movie clips.
Beginners need a text book to cling to, but as the student progresses, many things can be done with minimal textbook use
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you considered what most teachers do? Contact the publishers. They usually give free copies for inspection, too.

Pearson Longman
Thomson (now Cengage)
Oxford
Cambridge
Macmillan Languagehouse
McGraw Hill
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Kootvela



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Have you considered what most teachers do? Contact the publishers. They usually give free copies for inspection, too.

Pearson Longman
Thomson (now Cengage)
Oxford
Cambridge
Macmillan Languagehouse
McGraw Hill


That's the best shot so far, thanks!

I have mentioned above that my student is intermediate level. I have discussed all possible topics -we have been meeting for 2 times a week since September and I'm just running out of topics! I never imagined this can happen.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a pinch, if you haven't already done this, you might get a couple of 1.5 hour lessons out of the weather page of USA Today. It's good for travel (past and future), weather (obviously: hot, warm, cool, cold, etc. and clothing needed for prevailing conditions).

Actually this particular newspaper, being US-style (short, snappy, lots of photos - Americans have short attention spans, apparently Shocked ) is pretty useful across the board.

However, it's probably only good for three or four lessons, if that - and assuming it's available in your area.

I sympathise with your wish for some longer-term prepared materials. And to have something your student can take home both before and after lessons can really move the learning process along.

Good luck finding something suitable. I'd be interested if you come up with something that you like.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:35 pm    Post subject: Ten-hut Reply with quote

Deasr spiral78,

"Americans have short attention spans, apparently."

I protest - on behalf on Canadians, Mexicans, and Central and South Americans everywhere.

And I'd probably protest the rest of your post, too - but it was WAY too long for me to read.

Regards,
John
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kootvela wrote:
I have mentioned above that my student is intermediate level. I have discussed all possible topics -we have been meeting for 2 times a week since September and I'm just running out of topics! I never imagined this can happen.
We both know that you are just exaggerating in exasperation.

Get the book called Let's Talk About it. 1000 Questions for Conversation, by Craig Drayton and Mark Gibbon (Longman).

20 chapters
Each one has a picture/drawing, followed by 20 questions to ask about it, and then a 10-question fill in the blank section to recycle vocabulary, followed by a 10-question section where you see the answer and have to think of the question, and lastly a 10-question section where you finish the question and answer.

Get the book Discussions That Work, by Penny Ur (Cambridge), or get any of the Fifty-fifty books by Pearson Longman. Cassettes extra and not necessarily required, but useful.

Provide help with pronunciation (any number of books will help). Does the student want reading assistance? Get free samples of graded readers (Penguin provides a level test to get you started). Conversation practice is a 2-way street, so provide listening practice. Either tape your voice and give quizzes, or get TOEIC materials, or send the student to the www.manythings.or/voa/rss site to listen to 5-minute topics and read along with the script (great for testing oneself), or go to Randall's ESL Cyber Listening Lab ( www.esl-lab.com ) and do the listening tasks (which include pre-listening work, as well as some quizzes. Make a video of the student and you talking, point out weak points, discuss gestures, show body language, etc. I strongly suggest getting The Active Learner, by Don Maybin (great speaker!) and John Maher (Macmillan) and using their principles at the end of the book. These are essentially teaching a student how to be a better learner in oral communication.
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Kent F. Kruhoeffer



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ note


In the link above, there should be a letter 'g' after the 'or'


i.e., http://www.manythings.org/voa/rss


I check links for a living. Laughing
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blackmagicABC



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Kootvela wrote:
I have mentioned above that my student is intermediate level. I have discussed all possible topics -we have been meeting for 2 times a week since September and I'm just running out of topics! I never imagined this can happen.
We both know that you are just exaggerating in exasperation.

Get the book called Let's Talk About it. 1000 Questions for Conversation, by Craig Drayton and Mark Gibbon (Longman).

20 chapters
Each one has a picture/drawing, followed by 20 questions to ask about it, and then a 10-question fill in the blank section to recycle vocabulary, followed by a 10-question section where you see the answer and have to think of the question, and lastly a 10-question section where you finish the question and answer.

Get the book Discussions That Work, by Penny Ur (Cambridge), or get any of the Fifty-fifty books by Pearson Longman. Cassettes extra and not necessarily required, but useful.

Provide help with pronunciation (any number of books will help). Does the student want reading assistance? Get free samples of graded readers (Penguin provides a level test to get you started). Conversation practice is a 2-way street, so provide listening practice. Either tape your voice and give quizzes, or get TOEIC materials, or send the student to the www.manythings.or/voa/rss site to listen to 5-minute topics and read along with the script (great for testing oneself), or go to Randall's ESL Cyber Listening Lab ( www.esl-lab.com ) and do the listening tasks (which include pre-listening work, as well as some quizzes. Make a video of the student and you talking, point out weak points, discuss gestures, show body language, etc. I strongly suggest getting The Active Learner, by Don Maybin (great speaker!) and John Maher (Macmillan) and using their principles at the end of the book. These are essentially teaching a student how to be a better learner in oral communication.

And this guy got slack on the Japan forum from a bunch of ..... (intentional omission).
If you are going to use English teaching material and not books on a certain topic then this post is exactly what you are looking for.
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Kootvela



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish I could look at the books you all recommend before buying but I'm afraid that is not possible. In terms of ELT materials, much of interesting and not mainstream books have to be bought online.

I will probbaly use Amazon.com. Can you recommend any other good traders for ELT materials? It would be better located in the USA since the dollar is cheaper now and I could afford buying from the USA rather than from Europe and pay in Euros.
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