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also in saudi
Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 137
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Unmotivated Saudi military students and the military work environment are the same whether you work for BAE or some other contractor. No military contractor pays better than BAE. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Amen, bro. |
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Neil McBeath
Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 277 Location: Saudi Arabia
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:28 am Post subject: |
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If we could go back to the original thread, which is about Life on a BAE Compound, I actually found that compound life was more than just bearable.
Cleopatra is wrong, by the way. BAE staff ARE engaged on single-status contracts, but they can then apply for accompanied status, and will be given it if accommodation is available.
A lot of people left BAE last year, so accompanied status accommodation is now VERY available. For the lasst six months of my contract, moreover, I was living alone in a three bedroom villa. My previous villa mate left, and his place was never taken up.
On that compound, which WAS primarily single status, we had a swimming pool, bowling alley, TV lounge, dining hall, library, football pitch, tennis courts, running track, gym as official facilities. I will not go into the unofficial ones.
We were also about two miles away from the KIng Fahad Causeway to Bahrain.
It could have been far, far worse. |
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Mark100
Joined: 05 Feb 2003 Posts: 441
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:43 am Post subject: |
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I would have taken a job with BAE in a heartbeat.
Spent lots of weekends on their compounds over the years, Al Gosaibi in the old times. Dana and Azzizyah.
Great facilities and great pay and conditions.
Students are problematic but that is the case everywhere in Saudi.
Ignore the doomsayers ....let them enjoy their miserable 12k rats a month.
I never enjoyed poverty myself. |
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Tom Le Seelleur
Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 242
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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I worked for BAE from 1993 to 1995. The positive posters about compound life are true. I shared with two other ex-RAF guys who were a great laugh and made living in KSA a lot better. I met a lot of different people who were in KSA for a variety of reasons. many of them still work there and enjoy it. In terms of financial rewards, it is difficult to beat.
I was there as a single guy. I went back to Saudi as a married man to KFUPM in 2000 - 2002.
I didn't like the teaching very mush at BAE but it is tolerable and many of the cadets do want to learn and progress. Some don't or can't.
If you want to save and enjoy your free time, BAE is not a bad gig. It is a great time to study, read, join loads of clubs and make lifelong friends. |
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The_Prodiigy

Joined: 01 Apr 2006 Posts: 252
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| This is maybe a strange idea for guty but a working environment is not just abouut the numbers on the paycheque. |
That's all there is in that godforsaken place.
Sod all else of worth in that sordid place known as KSA. |
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Balzac

Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 266
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:43 am Post subject: |
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| Most of the denizens of BAE seem to be deperately unhappy and/or dysfunctional. |
That's interesting. On what evidence do you base that assertion? Have you been ther? Or are you just offering anecdotal evidence to support your claim? Methinks it is the latter. Having been here for the last few weeks I can tell you that I have found the exact opposite. Staff morale is quite high and people are generlly friendly ansd sociable and go out of their way to make friends.
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| Staff are expected to grin and bear it. Constructive criticism is not something that the management in this institution understand or encourage. |
On the contrary, staff are expected to do what suits them best. If they don't like the rules of the company then they have the opportunity to leave. In reality, few do. In my first weeks here I met people who've been here for 16 years, 12 years, 31 years (2 people) and have many years service in between.
Does that sound like the negative picture you are painting?
Let's have some more positive posting please or evidence to back up wild claims
Balzac |
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Neil McBeath
Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 277 Location: Saudi Arabia
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:37 am Post subject: |
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Balzac, thank you very, very much, but I think you're wasting your time.
Some of the posters on these threads don't want to know the truth. They want to see their own moronic prejudices given the authority of having been set in print.
Or, of course, there is the possibility that they are partly motivated by sour grapes. |
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Mark100
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:26 am Post subject: |
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I would also add that BAE employees were probably on the whole a happier bunch than ESL teachers elsewhere in the Kingdom.
Why?
Better pay and conditons would of course be number one and very good compounds with all amenities thrown in.
I reckon I had a better job in Saudi than most of the BAE guys but they had way better pay and living condtions than i did.
I might add that they were finished by lunch time every day as well. |
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Tom Le Seelleur
Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 242
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:36 am Post subject: |
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A Day in the Life of a Teacher at BAE (Weekday)
Get up early, own room fully furnished (in shared Villa)
Have breakfast - in canteen (free)
Leave dirty laundry in bag by door
Get on bus (provided)
Get to work - start lessons
After three classes - a tea break (free)
Another three classes
Break
Get back on bus back to compound
Find clean sheets, cleaned room and clean laundry
Change and head for three course lunch (free)
Go to pool and swim/sunbathe for two hours
Meet up with buddy and play snooker
Meet up with linies (ex RAF villa mates) watch TV
Play footy on pitch for an hour
Go have dinner (free)
Get ready to go out
Get either a bus provided by company or Hiace (petrol free)
Go to Rashid Mall -
Back to compound, game of squash or tennis
Watch DVD (library on compound)
Write a letter home - take to Villa?? put it in a bag on door handle as guy would be flying to UK next day
Go to bed at about 10 pm
Read, swop a mosquito, dream of large ladies. |
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cyclistlongdistancerunner
Joined: 18 Mar 2008 Posts: 31
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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First of all I would like to say how do you do to everyone on the Saudi Board!!
Balzac I have been following your "adventure" [to coin a word!!] with BAE.
I believe you have been there now for a month or two . . .
I was wondering if you could give us your impressions of your job, the local scenery [with all that implies!] and so on.
Thank you very much. |
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