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ESLmontana



Joined: 25 Feb 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:28 pm    Post subject: Visa process.... Reply with quote

So, what exactly is involved in the visa process (teaching/working visa)?

Can a potential teacher simply show up in Mexico and obtain one through a school, or does it have to be done before arrival?

What is required for the visa?


Any help is appreciated.


cheers.

eslmontana
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notamiss



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Location: El 5o pino del la CDMX

PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have heard that it is nearly impossible to get one before arrival. (Any experiences to the contrary?)
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MO39



Joined: 28 Jan 2004
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Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana

PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree with notamiss. I know that language institutes won't hire you unless you're standing before them looking professional with your CV in hand. At least in Mexico City, some of these schools won't hire you unless you already have the work visa. Others won't get it for you, but will help you with the necessary paperwork. Others will get it for you and even pay for the process. Of course, then there are those schools that will hire you and pay you "under the table".
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Oreen Scott



Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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Location: Oaxaca, Mexico

PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I called the Mexican Consulate in Toronto I was advised to enter Mexico with a six month travel/visitor's visa. He said six month visitor's visas are now standard.

When I have a job I would then apply for an FM3.

I suppose I can be a little more independent than some, but I wouldn't work under the table.

On the University Campus, where I attend part-time, soon to be B.Ed. graduates are interviewing for private Mexican schools. They will be hired from Canada.

From what I heard the Mexican schools are struggling to get qualified teachers and their interview sessions are not well attended.

I'm not trained, nor do I want to teach, children.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oreen Scott wrote:
When I called the Mexican Consulate in Toronto I was advised to enter Mexico with a six month travel/visitor's visa. He said six month visitor's visas are now standard.

When I have a job I would then apply for an FM3.

I suppose I can be a little more independent than some, but I wouldn't work under the table.

On the University Campus, where I attend part-time, soon to be B.Ed. graduates are interviewing for private Mexican schools. They will be hired from Canada.



The Mexican Consulate in Toronto gave you excellent advice.

The only situation I've heard of in which you can get a teaching job in Mexico before you arrive is precisely the one you mention, working for private elementary and high schools. In this case, of course, applying for the FM3 is taken care of by the school.
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dixie



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oreen Scott wrote:
When I called the Mexican Consulate in Toronto I was advised to enter Mexico with a six month travel/visitor's visa. He said six month visitor's visas are now standard.

When I have a job I would then apply for an FM3.

I suppose I can be a little more independent than some, but I wouldn't work under the table.

On the University Campus, where I attend part-time, soon to be B.Ed. graduates are interviewing for private Mexican schools. They will be hired from Canada.

From what I heard the Mexican schools are struggling to get qualified teachers and their interview sessions are not well attended.

I'm not trained, nor do I want to teach, children.


Why are they not well attended. Are you having an International Job fair with schools from all over? Or only from a few places?
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MO39



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once you're here, you'll need certain documents to apply for your FM3, some of which need to be certified officially before you get here. You might ask the friendly folks at the Consulate for a list of these necessary pieces of paper and for a description of the certification process (for US citizens, it's called getting them "apostilled" - I'm not sure if this applies to Canadians).
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Oreen Scott



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dixie: The Mexican schools are competing with Manitoba school divisions. We don't have an international job fair per se, I suspect it is because Winnipeg is a secondary Canadian centre.

MO39: Canada wasn't part of the Hague agreement regarding Apostilles. There is a link up in Dave's stickys regarding what Canadians ought to do. And, Leslie has also been very helpful in a private message.

I'm finished my course work on April 14. It's been an exhaustive year, with my CTESL and BA I ought to be employable. And my documentation will be notarized, or whatever the term is, in Ottawa.

I will have Canadian certification CTESL, which gives me a certification to teach adults in Canada. But, I don't know if I will ever work in Canada. Maybe, one should never say never.

If everything goes on schedule I'll be crossing the border via Juarez by bus September 8. Not the best time to look for work I know, but I can take my time finding the right fit for me.
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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have my marriage license and my college degree apostilled but not my online certificate to TEFL. I only have a notarized letter saying that the certificate is OK.

Since I have three and a half years teaching experience I won't worry too much about the certificate not being apostilled. Hopefully my degree will be enough for me to get a teaching job.
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ESLmontana



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alrighty, then.


Thanks for the info, guys. I appreciate it.


I'm pretty much 50/50 on coming down. I really enjoy teaching, and working with kids. I just don't want to experience what I went through in Asia (Korea, mainly). I am seriously hoping that the scene is different down there, and ESL teachers are not thought as those who can't get jobs in their own countries...........which is true for some, but not all. Either way, what does it matter? If you are doing something you enjoy, and are able to make some money at the same time, what is the harm?

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MO39



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESLmontana wrote:
Alrighty, then.





I'm pretty much 50/50 on coming down. I really enjoy teaching, and working with kids. I just don't want to experience what I went through in Asia (Korea, mainly). I am seriously hoping that the scene is different down there, and ESL teachers are not thought as those who can't get jobs in their own countries...........which is true for some, but not all.

eslmontana


If you give us an idea of what happened to you in Asia, then we can tell you if it's likely to happen here.

Though I don't work with children here, I can tell you that I've never gotten the feeling from my adult students that they thought of me as someone who couldn't make it in my own country. They're just happy to have me available to help them learn and enjoy hearing that one reason I'm living and working here is that I love Mexico!
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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESLmontana wrote:

I just don't want to experience what I went through in Asia (Korea, mainly).


My friend was in Korea a couple of months ago and he told me that they were VERY racist and what he experienced was pure hate for North Americans. Plus he was teaching kids which he hated because they were spoiled.

Now he's in China teaching adults and he loves it. He said the attitude is completely different. Another friend of mine is married to a Korean and they have one child. He told me if they live in Korea and if other kids were to find out that his parents aren't both Koreans, they would give him a hard time. Not a place where I'd want to live.
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dixie



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jfurgers wrote:
ESLmontana wrote:

I just don't want to experience what I went through in Asia (Korea, mainly).


My friend was in Korea a couple of months ago and he told me that they were VERY racist and what he experienced was pure hate for North Americans. Plus he was teaching kids which he hated because they were spoiled.


As are the kids here (that one is likely to teach).
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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like all the kids in Mexico are spoiled also from what I keep hearing on this forum. Perhaps that why no one here (except for Freddy) teaches kids.
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guatetaliana



Joined: 20 Feb 2008
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Location: Monterrey, Nuevo Le�n, Mexico

PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jfurgers wrote:
Sounds like all the kids in Mexico are spoiled also from what I keep hearing on this forum. Perhaps that why no one here (except for Freddy) teaches kids.


Obviously not all are spoiled. In fact I have several kids that are an absolute delight. But those 5 out of 50 does not help when the rest are huge whiners.

I teach kids, but never again. I don't even know how I'm going to finish out this school year. I taught bilingual elementary in the US, but that did nothing to prepare me for the horrors of teaching wealthy kids here. ESLmontana has already heard my perspective on this... Confused
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