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avahanian
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 123
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 7:16 am Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
I stand by my claims. You have not refuted either one. I realize that the economy itself is another chief cause, but the other two are high on my list. |
Well, we agree with each other on 99 percent of all points regarding this matter.
The only thing I would add is who gives a toss what these backpackers want to do, I'm going to continue being a professional and doing the best job I can. I can't control their behaviour, but I can control mine.
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Oh, come on!! Next thing, you'll be quoting sandbox rules that say every time you point a finger of blame at someone, there are more fingers in your hand pointing right back at you.
Epictetus also said: "First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you have to do." Tell that to the backpackers! |
You're absolutely right! The backpackers want to be losers....in fact they are quite good at it! They tell themselves they want to be backpackers, and they act like it too....in this sense they are completely consistent with their beliefs!
We do agree on almost everything Glenski, but you seem to take these issues a bit more seriously than I do....I say let them do what they want to do, you can't change them, let's just focus on being good teachers ourselves, right? |
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donfan
Joined: 31 Aug 2003 Posts: 217
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Smooth Operator wrote: |
Some posters (naming no names) need to get off their high horse. We all know that both men and women come here to work and meet locals of the opposite sex. |
That's very stereotypical. I actually prefer to meet members of my own sex thankyou very much.  |
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donfan
Joined: 31 Aug 2003 Posts: 217
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 8:24 am Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
copied from the General Forum. I hope I don't offend the original poster by doing so.
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No offence taken Glenski.
I think one possible solution is that all countries demand an ESL certificate. That will eliminate a lot of the bad seeds. |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 9:53 am Post subject: |
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I think another possibility to improve the quality of teachers and teaching in Japan is if the eikaiwas paid more to experienced teachers. This would bring better teachers to Japan and would keep them here too. Eikaiwas pay teachers with no experience and 10 years of experience the same. They also pay teachers with a Masters and TEFL the same as someone with just a BA. It doesn't exactly draw experienced and educated teachers to Japan or provide any sort of incentive for teachers who are already here to get more education. Of course this won't happen (at least not in many schools), at least not in my lifetime because they want to get the cheapest teachers possible. |
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Smooth Operator
Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 140 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Well, that's true for many who start with a company but I heard NOVA (from a friend who used to work there) give their teachers a raise each year, so if one stays a few years quite reasonable money follows. If one can persevere that is  |
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donfan
Joined: 31 Aug 2003 Posts: 217
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Smooth Operator wrote: |
Well, that's true for many who start with a company but I heard NOVA (from a friend who used to work there) give their teachers a raise each year, so if one stays a few years quite reasonable money follows. If one can persevere that is  |
My school in Taiwan does too but one would have to be here a very long time to notice it.  |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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From the NOVA web site:
As you complete your first year, having made consistent progress in your career with Nova, a salary increment of up to 20,000 yen monthly is available in acknowledgement of the valuable role you have taken as part of the teaching team. As there is no limit to the length of employment in Nova with a sponsored visa, every year can bring further increases in recognition of your contribution to ensuring Nova's standard of excellence is maintained.
But the opportunities for increase in salary are not limited to recognition of your performance as a teacher and the length of your stay. One of Nova's advantages is that we recognize the skills that teachers bring to the job and reward it with promotion. Being the largest English language school in Japan means that there are always opportunities for promotion in new and expanding school branches. Naturally, your new responsibilities are rewarded with an additional monthly payment of 10,000 yen.
The underlines are mine. First underline...how do they measure this "consistent progress" and compare it to people who haven't achieved it? Does anyone know? Look at www.teachinginjapan.com and find the questionnaire answers from NOVA. They are equally vague. Here they are in case you can't find it.
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14. Do you offer an end-of-contract bonus? If so, how much is the bonus?
There is no lump sum end-of-contract bonus. If the contract is renewed, a salary increment (up to JY 20,000/month) is awarded based on performance throughout the year. |
Info on GEOS related to this:
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Performance Bonus
GEOS provides extra payment rewards to teachers for student satisfaction, prospective student interviews and possible extra hours. You will receive more information about these amounts during the interviews |
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Second underline...sounds like an ad for something in an electronics shop. "UP TO" 50% savings! Yeah, and how much is the AVERAGE or the MOST COMMON salary increment, and just when and how do you get it? Does anyone know?
Third underline...what skills determine a promotion? What sort of promotions are there? (see partial answer below) Getting a measly 10,000 yen just to get promoted seems less important than having "consistent progress" in your work record. Here's more from that questionnaire:
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16. Please describe any additional benefits provided to new teachers by your organization.
Promotion opportunities: Instructors who are interested in advancement are eligible for promotion to supervisory positions. Further promotion opportunities exist in areas including personnel management, curriculum development, administration, publishing, translation, and overseas recruiting. |
I believe GEOS offers similar promotion opportunities, but they don't state any figures on how much more money you will make.
http://www.geoscareer.com/global_career.html |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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I got a raise this year, a whopping 3,000 yen/month, Yahoo! That'll buy about 8 Starbucks lattes. Am I alone in this folks? What was your raise this past contract? |
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leeroy
Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Posts: 777 Location: London UK
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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So, to summarise the answers to the OP:
From a purely pedagogical/teaching perspective, Japan is a rubbish place to teach. But everything else makes it a rewarding experience Right?
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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Leeroy, you catch on pretty quick. In general, I'd say yes. Besides the office politics and unmotivated students, I love being in Japan. In some ways I have a better standard of life here than in Canada (did I really say that?) |
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leeroy
Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Posts: 777 Location: London UK
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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Come now Gordon I find it hard to believe that any Canadian would consciously admit to Canada being anything less than perfect!
You'll be conceding that Americans are better at sports soon!  |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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Not at hockey anyways and Cdns all know that is the only sport that matters. They do get a lot of Olympic medals though, mind you with 250 million people, they should. |
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Smooth Operator
Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 140 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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I got a 4000yen a month PAY CUT this year instead of the 5,000yen a month pay rise that I was expecting! It was applied to everyone though before you start wondering. Hard times... |
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shmooj

Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Posts: 1758 Location: Seoul, ROK
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 1:57 am Post subject: |
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Small eikaiwa may be the way to go along the lines of the following strategy.
Come here qualified to a basic level in EFL. Get a job at a small eikaiwa where the owner (not a middleman) has a direct line of communication with you and speaks good English. There are lots of family owned ones out there.
Once you've settled. Start to produce excellent materials and very tight lesson plans. Note down issues that come up and come up with solutions to them on paper. Speak to students who like your teaching and ask them why. Note these things down. Focus on anything that compromises or enhances the teaching/learning expericence at the school. This could be anything from prof. dev. opportunities right through to the decor in the rooms.
Once you have the blueprint for change, write it all down in simple English. Submit it and suggest how if these changes are not implemented some students will feel bad and you will be unhappy in your job. Say you would be much happier if you could help work on some of these changes.
What happens next is a win-win situation. Either the boss gives you the cold shoulder in which case you know that, for the rest of your contract, there is no point in making any effort to improve teaching at the school. Save your money for nights out after work and start looking to move on. Don't waste your energy at that school.
If the boss reacts with interest, you are onto a winner because you now have the opportunity to tweak the school to make it a proper learning environment. This extra responsibility may attract more pay and contract extensions but even if it doesn't, you have a golden opportunity to develop as a teacher.
If the above scenario sounds far-fetched, I for one can vouch for it. It is exactly what happened to me. Due to the improvements I put in place and in addition to pedagogic sanity and extreme job satisfaction and personal teaching development, I secured a 30% pay rise and six years' worth of contracts with my school.
This happened because I didn't just mouth about how I was a serious teacher but got on and made it happen. In doing so, I also made it clear to the boss that I would not continue to work there otherwise. He was wise and other bosses are not. But if he hadn't been, I would have moved on until I was happy. He and I both knew that there were plenty of other eikaiwas that would benefit from my approach.
I still have the document I wrote and love to look over it with a chuckle from time to time.  |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 4:53 am Post subject: |
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Shmooj, you`re a good businessman. That is how you can make teaching work for you, instead of letting others take control of your life. |
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