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Samantha
Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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Location: Mexican Riviera
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| Seriously though, this is Mexico and I don't see INM keeping exact track of when someone enters or leaves. So, just saying that you lost a FM-3 is often better than saying you have overstayed for a few months or years, if that's the case. |
You are wrong, unless you meant to write FMT where you wrote FM3 above. Your FM2 or FM3 gets stamped by INM at the airport upon leaving and returning. You are supposed to do the same when crossing by vehicle. And there is no reason not to do that. Don't forget there are different kinds of FM3's. Guy is right about the tourist card situation because I have seen someone deported when he couldn't show a valid FMT (tourist card). This fellow was nowhere near the airport, but he ticked off some people and INM agents responded to a complaint to check him out. If you choose to be illegal in Mexico, you best keep a low profile.
Don't ever assume or believe that because this is Mexico, that Immigration is going to stay in the dark ages of record keeping, because that's not the case. The customs (Aduana) are using computers now to keep good track of the vehicles we foreigners bring into Mexico. If it doesn't show that it's been removed from Mexico, you can forget bringing another in. |
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MO39
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Posts: 1970
Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: furthermore |
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| For one thing, MO39, the woman in question is an extremely hard negotiator and speaks Spanish like a native. She is also quite brilliant and overpowers people with her mental alacrity(sp?). She is truly fearsome and I am somewhat intimidated by her as well. She does the same to others. |
She doesn't sound like someone I'd enjoy having as a friend, or an English teacher. I assume she turns down the more scary aspects of her personality when she's teaching! |
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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| Samantha wrote: |
profgringo wrote:
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| Seriously though, this is Mexico and I don't see INM keeping exact track of when someone enters or leaves. So, just saying that you lost a FM-3 is often better than saying you have overstayed for a few months or years, if that's the case. |
You are wrong, unless you meant to write FMT where you wrote FM3 above. Your FM2 or FM3 gets stamped by INM at the airport upon leaving and returning. You are supposed to do the same when crossing by vehicle. And there is no reason not to do that. Don't forget there are different kinds of FM3's. Guy is right about the tourist card situation because I have seen someone deported when he couldn't show a valid FMT (tourist card). This fellow was nowhere near the airport, but he ticked off some people and INM agents responded to a complaint to check him out. If you choose to be illegal in Mexico, you best keep a low profile.
Don't ever assume or believe that because this is Mexico, that Immigration is going to stay in the dark ages of record keeping, because that's not the case. The customs (Aduana) are using computers now to keep good track of the vehicles we foreigners bring into Mexico. If it doesn't show that it's been removed from Mexico, you can forget bringing another in. |
Yes, I made a mistake. I meant of course a FM-T. I already edited my post. I am not a lawyer, nor is anyone else on this board. That being said, very few teachers in my experience are totally legal here. Even people with the FM-3 often engage in work for which they are not authorized.
I am making $20,000 pesos per month and I am not worried about having a FM-T vs a FM-3. I am legal here. If INM comes knocking I got the right things to show them. If you are new in country, relax, find a job and don't worry about every little thing. Welcome to Mexico! |
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Oreen Scott
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
Posts: 179
Location: Oaxaca, Mexico
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Perhaps I'm half blind, actually I am half blind - 20/200 vision in my right eye. Perhaps my brain is fried, that's possible too, It's 5:14 p.m. my time and I've been up since 2 a.m. 2 a.m. until 7 a.m. working on my final paper toward CTESL and 8:30 a.m. until 4 p.m. working my regular money making job.
I'm rambling, please forgive me.
I think somewhere on this thread there is the cost of the FM3. I have figured out the translator fee is maybe $200 pesos. Is a lawyer's fee usually involved? Is the cost of the lawyer above the cost of the government administration costs?
I know, it will vary from region to region  , but can someone give me an idea?
Again, if this has been addressed already within this thread my eyes and/or brain can't find it so . . .please tell me again. |
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MO39
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
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Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I�m about to leave for the office of the lawyer who's going to expedite the "tr�mites" for my FM3. His fee will come to 2500 pesos or about 235 US dollars. In addition to that, I'll have to pay around 200 dollars to Migraci�n to change from my tourist visa (FMT) to a so-called FM3 "�ndependiente". I'm not entirely sure about the latter figure - I'll post the information about I get back later on today. |
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notamiss
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Location: El 5o pino del la CDMX
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| In addition to that, I'll have to pay around 200 dollars to Migraci�n to change from my tourist visa (FMT) to a so-called FM3 "�ndependiente". I'm not entirely sure about the latter figure - I'll post the information about I get back later on today. |
If I'm interpreting this http://www.diputados.gob.mx/LeyesBiblio/doc/107.doc correctly, the fee is $2,536 MXN (page 7, Article 9, Part I.) Will be interested to hear your report. |
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MO39
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Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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| MO39 wrote: |
| In addition to that, I'll have to pay around 200 dollars to Migraci�n to change from my tourist visa (FMT) to a so-called FM3 "�ndependiente". I'm not entirely sure about the latter figure - I'll post the information about I get back later on today. |
If I'm interpreting this http://www.diputados.gob.mx/LeyesBiblio/doc/107.doc correctly, the fee is $2,536 MXN (page 7, Article 9, Part I.) Will be interested to hear your report. |
Just got back from seeing the lawyer. His fee will be higher than I mentioned earlier, keeping in mind that I will be applying for a first-time FM3 as an independent operator.
Lawyer's fee: 4000
Changing FMT to FM3: 444
One-year FM3 fee: 1904
All amounts are in pesos. The second and third fees are standard for all normal cases (not normal might be dealing with an expired FMT, for example). The lawyer's fee will vary according to your situation, where you're living, and how what sort of lawyer you're dealing with.
Oh, one more detail - translations of my documents are not needed, at least it didn't come up during my meeting with the lawyer.
I hope this information will prove to be useful to some of you. |
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sarliz
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Location: Jalisco
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| Wow, that lawyer's fee seems a little steep. I applied for my own FM3, and then renewed/changed it to "independiente". If your Spanish is okay, you're friendly to the migra people, and you don't mind standing in lines and lots of paperwork, you can save yourself a big chunk of money. I should add that I've dealt with the offices in Oaxaca and Guadalajara, and everyone was really nice and helpful in both. |
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Oreen Scott
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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Location: Oaxaca, Mexico
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| Thanx Mo - tis useful information |
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MO39
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
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Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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| Wow, that lawyer's fee seems a little steep. I applied for my own FM3, and then renewed/changed it to "independiente". If your Spanish is okay, you're friendly to the migra people, and you don't mind standing in lines and lots of paperwork, you can save yourself a big chunk of money. I should add that I've dealt with the offices in Oaxaca and Guadalajara, and everyone was really nice and helpful in both. |
Well, it is a bit more money than I had hoped to pay, but I think I'm going to bite the bullet and pay it anyway even though my Spanish is fine. My situation is somewhat difficult since none of my degrees are in TEFL, and I don't even have a TEFL certificate, just years of teaching experience.
Has anyone else on this board got some tales to tell about getting an FM3 Independiente in the D.F. recently? |
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MO39
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
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Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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I'm going to repeat myself (sorry) and ask again if anyone on the board has gotten an FM3 Independiente recently in Mexico City, especially if their university degrees are not in English or TEFL and they don't have a TEFL certificate, which is my situation, though I do have many years of teaching experience.
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Location: A World of my Own
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Almost!
I already had authorization as an employee (btw, without a university degree or teachers certificate!), I then added extra activities (independent), and later "quit" my job (I'd stopped working for them ages before, but they were accommodating with the carta de baja). That left me with just the independent status - and they told me that I didn't have to prove any minimum income. I know its not exactly the same as your situation, but I think it proves that certificates aren�t everything...once again, depending on the INM's mood 
Oh, and by the way, mine's an FM2. not 3, but I think the principle is the same. |
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MO39
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Almost!
I already had authorization as an employee (btw, without a university degree or teachers certificate!), I then added extra activities (independent), and later "quit" my job (I'd stopped working for them ages before, but they were accommodating with the carta de baja). That left me with just the independent status - and they told me that I didn't have to prove any minimum income. I know its not exactly the same as your situation, but I think it proves that certificates aren�t everything...once again, depending on the INM's mood
Oh, and by the way, mine's an FM2. not 3, but I think the principle is the same. |
Thanks for all this really useful information, Phil_K. When you added "extra activities" to your FM2, what were they and did you have to present pieces of paper certifying that you were qualified to carry them out? The lawyer I recently spoke to told me that, in spite of having 3 university degrees (and lots of teaching experience), it would be difficult for me to get an FM3 (the independent kind) because none of them were in TEFL, though one is in education. He also advised trying to include translating in the FM3 since I have no training in that area, though I do have some experience. |
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notamiss
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Location: El 5o pino del la CDMX
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| My path was similar to Phil K.'s. |
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MO39
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| notamiss wrote: |
| My path was similar to Phil K.'s. |
Since both of you (notamiss and Phil_K) are married to Mexicans, I wonder if this helped you get your work authorization "tr�mites" taken care of more quickly than if you had been in my situation. |
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