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windstar · Joined: 22 Dec 2007 Posts: 235

No need to talk about this issue in Turkey. It reminds me of the time of pre-conquest of Mecca. Attitude of like-minded people has been well-prosed in Al-Baqara.

dagi · Joined: 01 Jan 2004 Posts: 425

That they now try to ban the AKP I find quite hilarious. I mean, they are governing the country. Although Belgium and the Netherlands have recently both proved that a country can function almost perfectly without a governing party for quite a while I am not sure if it would work out the same way in Turkey.
What are the going to do if it happens? Have early elections instantly?

Btw, there was an interesting article in a German newspaper about Mili G�r�s. They set up a meeting and invited mainly girls offering them a study grant if they in return would wear a headscarf. I was quite baffled when I read that.

TeachEnglish · Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Posts: 239

I have been told by some Turkish colleagues that it is pretty common to pay some girls to wear the headscarf.. Go figure.. Rolling Eyes

windstar · Joined: 22 Dec 2007 Posts: 235

There might be a misunderstanding. Scholarships are different than "paying money" to girls. During university education, a lot of my friends with headscarves got scholarships from the government of canada because they fit into "visible minority" classess. The same applies to other turkish girls too. There might be affluent like-minded people who voluntarily support girls with headscarf.

007 · Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:16 pm Post subject:

"It was just another case of what women here often complain about � that the headscarf has been hijacked by politics for decades, leaving ordinary women to suffer the consequences. Some have sacrificed an education for their faith, preferring not to go to university if it means uncovering, and they feel like little more than a political football in this very masculine power struggle."

"Check out our video from Marmara University, especially the protester who says �We want freedom to wear headscarves!� Hmmm � do you think he�ll ever wear one?"
http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/02/28/turkeys-covered-women-fed-up-with-politics-over-their-headscarves/

P.S.
British writer Madeleine Bunting says secularists have nothing to fear from women wearing headscarves.

BTW, where is Sheikh Pasha Afandi? Is he still supporting the Generals of Marmara?

windstar · Joined: 22 Dec 2007 Posts: 235

I can refer a court case at the federal court of canada on the subject matter which is well-evidenced and proven.
http://decisions.fct-cf.gc.ca/en/2003/2003fc826/2003fc826.html

The Court hears a case about a female teacher with headscarf and her dismissal from her job. The court weighs ...the impact of the female Applicant's commitment to a religious practice on her ability to obtain suitable employment if now required to return to Turkey.

It goes in reference to Turkey:
...it seems that persecution of the practice of religion can take various forms, such as ..., the implementation of serious discriminatory policies against persons on account of the practice of their religion.

[22] It is entirely possible that, on the facts of this matter, appropriately analyzed, the denial to the female Applicant of the opportunity for her to re-assume a position in high school teaching might amount to "... serious discriminatory policies..." resulting in past persecution and potential future persecution on the convention ground of religion if the female Applicant were required to return to Turkey. In the absence of an appropriate analysis in this regard, once again ...

It is always better to look from different perspectives.

misterkodak · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:22 am Post subject:

I'm not afraid of scarfies. If people want to wear them, fine. However,don't expect special treatment.. especially if you know the rules in advance. What does make me stop and think (and cringe) is people forcing their religion and their lifestyles on others. If women want to be second class citizens, why not?! This sort of discrimination works both ways. I fail to see where in the koran is says that women have to dress like that. This is more arabization than islamization. I wish have of these people who are in favor of sharia law in Turkey would have a look at Iran and Saudi.

007 · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:42 pm Post subject:

windstar · Joined: 22 Dec 2007 Posts: 235

Not only the Quran but also the Prophet implemented hijab and Muslims followed his sunnahs. When you read it as a whole, following the Quran and the messenger's sunnah are inseparable and the Messenger had the authority to implement divine commands. For a better perspective, Nisa, Ahzab and Noor could be read about dress codes and women's place in Islam.