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stabnkill
Joined: 29 Oct 2003 Posts: 62 Location: the land of dreams
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 7:42 pm Post subject: Mazoon College |
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Does anyone have any opinions about Mazoon College? I know there was a tread already going on this but it seems to only be about BBC radio. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 4:31 am Post subject: |
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Apparently you didn't bother to read the whole thread. Only the last three entries had segued onto the topic of the BBC. You must be very new to this board if you are expecting things to remain constantly exactly on topic.
I expect that about everything that you can learn about this place is covered there. It is a small college, so few people on this board have even heard of it. I have passed on what I have learned from a woman I know who works there.
Good Luck
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stabnkill
Joined: 29 Oct 2003 Posts: 62 Location: the land of dreams
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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, I have read the entire thread several times and there is not much solid information buried under all those tangents, and Frida did play here in Oman.
The only useful information I noticed was the bit about Mazoon preferring to hire locals. Part of my reason for trying to start a new thread was that the old thread is way down at the bottom of the list and the last message was posted in June. I was hoping to get some more information. I am new to the this board in that I have just recently signed up to post and reply to messages, but I have been reading the Oman forum regularly for almost six years. Yes, messages are often off topic, but the one about Mazoon is particularly bad. Out of ten postings, five of them are relevant. The other five postings could not be further off-topic. The original message seems to have been lost-- thus the other part of my reason for wanting to start a new thread.
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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Well, so far none of those seven seem to be jumping in here to post. You seem to be the one with the most knowledge. Since you seem to know them well enough to inform us that they read this board, why don't you get in touch with them and ask them to share their knowledge with us. Up to this point I was the only one who seemed to know anything and I posted all that I knew.
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stabnkill
Joined: 29 Oct 2003 Posts: 62 Location: the land of dreams
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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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Mazoon College has a stipulation in the full-time contract that employees must "surrender" their passports.
There have been many complaints from the faculty about how difficult it is to get their passports back in a timely manner for holiday or weekend travel. It can sometimes take days or a week of constant effort.
Supposedly the college is worried that a faculty member will disappear and leave unpaid bills because something like that happened in the past. All faculty are automatically suspected and disrespected because of an isolated past event.
In Oman, many employers hold their employees� passports, although Omani law does not require this practice. I don't know of any other reputable college or university which makes it difficult for the employee to have access to his own passport upon request. Most other colleges have a clear, short system--the employee signs a form and the passport is promptly given to him within the hour.
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
This all sounds rather draconian. I was fortunate with both my Omani employers. The first never held the passports and the second did, but handed it back in moments if requested.
The logical route would be to find out exactly what Omani law is. There is the possibility of consulting a lawyer. (but that costs money) If the law does not require the holding, personally I would just go to the highest ranking person in administration with whom one has a good relationship and discretely inform him/her that you find the system impossible to accept and that you would prefer to resign if it isn't simplified into a comformance with Omani laws. And then give notice as per your contract if they don't. I have found the key to making any changes to things like this is how you approach them. The George Bush approach of threats and demands never works, you need to be diplomatic - and if you know an Omani well enough to smooth the path -- all the better.
If every teacher did it (of course the organization of everyone doing it would probably get you a ticket out rather quickly - as a labor agitator ), the rules would probably simplify. A small college like this probably has few western expatriate teachers. A sad problem that permeates the Gulf is that if most of the employees are from the sub-continent, there is just no limit to what abuse employers can and do get away with.
Of course, the reality is that likely nothing will change and you (and any others that did it) would just be out of a job. And, any changes would be long after you left. It seems that as long as places with these kinds of employment policies can get teachers to accept them, it will continue to happen. Each of us has to decide where the line is. Every job has things that we don't like and when the negatives outweigh the positives, it's time to move on.
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(I will send on a copy of your message to an Omani friend who has contacts in this college.) |
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manonatrain

Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 88
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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 6:30 pm Post subject: in Oman |
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In Oman it is illegal to hold ANYONES passport ever !!! except for
processing the ol� labour card which takes a few weeks...at most.
go to your local labour department. file a complaint and voila all
will have their passports FOREVER in their possession..
the squeaky wheel gets the grease |
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stabnkill
Joined: 29 Oct 2003 Posts: 62 Location: the land of dreams
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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Well, the problem with Omani labor law seems to be that, except for some amendments published in the paper last year, it isn't easy to get a copy of.
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Stabnkill
Interesting information about what MCBS got from the government. I can certainly understand why private employers hold the passports. Since they are sponsoring the person, they are responsible for all bills that a person may leave behind. I have encountered too many unscrupulous people in the TEFL field, sorry to say. (the type that get that furniture allowance, a credit car, and a car loan - then disappear one night--) All of the rest of us have to pay for their thefts with this kind of rules. And we have people on this board that brag about having done it.
It would certainly be nice if our embassies would help us out by backing us up. But the American embassies in the Middle East are notorious for their non-helpfulness. You don't even need them to get tax forms anymore - easier to use the internet.
MCBS has managed to keep the passports with a minimum of employee mistreatment. It is too bad that Mazoon can't do the same. Unfortunately my friend is out of the country they say.
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stabnkill
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 10:37 am Post subject: |
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No matter how careful an employer is, it is still always possible that the employee will do a runner and leave debt. Holding passports and making it difficult to get them back quickly only protects the school to a small degree. I feel that even with all these procedures it would still be possible for one to leave without notice and with accrued debt.
But the fact is, there is probably only one teacher in every hundred who would even consider doing such a thing. Collective punishment creates low morale and high turnover. The college alienates the other 99% by using these sorts of collective punishing techniques as preventive measure.
People teaching in this area of the world are typically concerned about their careers and professional respectability. Countries like China and Thailand, which pay less and don�t require much experience or an MA, are more likely to attract teachers whose sense of professionalism is less than what it should be.
Something else to consider: Mazoon has previously threatened to withhold the (already earned) salaries of people who refused to turn in their passports.
There is a new American Dean at Mazoon who has been advocating for faculty rights.
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