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sweeney66



Joined: 26 Mar 2008
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:50 am    Post subject: lonliest place Reply with quote

Yes, I like being alone,too. Always have. And I'm not like, suffering, or anything, it's just, kind of, a color...if that makes sense, a presence of absence? Sometimes I kind of like it. But I do think I need to get out more! MO, I thank you for your kind offer to get together. From what you post I think you must be an interesting person. I'll try to send you a pm...not sure I can? Anyway, I look forward to meeting you.
LOZ, wow, thats got to be rough, all that surgery. I bet Bogata...right? is interesting. Man, it hasn"t got so bad I wanted my ex back! Thank you for that hilarious note! You know the saying in Spanish, "Better alone than in bad company"?
Best wishes to all of you!
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MO39



Joined: 28 Jan 2004
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Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:03 am    Post subject: Re: lonliest place Reply with quote

sweeney66 wrote:
Yes, I like being alone,too. Always have. And I'm not like, suffering, or anything, it's just, kind of, a color...if that makes sense, a presence of absence? Sometimes I kind of like it. But I do think I need to get out more! MO, I thank you for your kind offer to get together. From what you post I think you must be an interesting person. I'll try to send you a pm...not sure I can? Anyway, I look forward to meeting you.

You know the saying in Spanish, "Better alone than in bad company"?
Best wishes to all of you!


Sweeney66, I appreciate your thoughts on being alone, something I've always needed, even when I've been in a relationship. The time spent away from the loved one made our meetings that much sweeter. And thanks for reminding me of that clich�d, but oh-so-true saying, "Mejor sola que mal acompa�ada". I should keep it in mind these days. I've recently re-entered the dating scene after some years of living like a nun (well, the Jewish version of one, anyway!) and am finding it hard to deal with.

I hope you are now able to send PMs - I look forward to hearing from you!
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Looking for my place



Joined: 09 Sep 2005
Posts: 49
Location: Portland

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I agree that being alone can be great and also a growing experience but there is a difference between having the option or not. Also, I think that the length of time you must be alone is a great factor and being locked into a two year contract in a lonely place and be more than challenging.
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lozwich



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking for my place, how long have you been in your current location? I know this isn't very helpful, but after the last little while, I've really learned that loneliness comes from within. Sure, its nice to spend time with people and have someone around, but like MO39 and Sweeny 66 have reminded me, it is better to be alone than with bad company. That's the distinction between loneliness and aloneness I think. I feel lonely here, yet I have lots of people around me, just not many of them are what I would term true friends. It is a part of this job that sometimes we have to make friends based on circumstance, rather than really liking a person for who they are.

But how about finding things you like to do, and inviting people along? Or studying something? Are there expat clubs? Or do you speak the local language and can join some other type of club? Where you are might be the type of place where you have to be a bit more proactive than usual, but once you are it might all pay off! Bogota is a tricky place to meet people, and I was doing all kinds of things before I got sidewinded by my operations. It was hard work, but I was having a nice time!

Sweeny, yeah, surgery in a foreign country/foreign language kind of bites. Especially when you live alone. But thank whoever, I think they were both successful, and I'm starting to be able to live my life like normal again, including being able to do things I hadn't been able to do for years! Whoo hoo! I put it down to being blessed (cursed??) with such tenacity (stubbornness??) that I wouldn't let myself give up.

MO, dating hey? Thanks to my situation, I haven't been able to do much more than think about dating for the past 3 years. I'm looking forward to doing a bit more of that when I move on in August, but I'm scared! Shocked Sharing my life with someone is a bit daunting after all this time on my own and very little compromise... Good luck to you though!
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Trebek



Joined: 30 Oct 2003
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Location: China

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:38 pm    Post subject: Northern Utah Reply with quote

I live in a beautiful town in Northern Utah surrounded by mountains, streams, and very nice people (Mormons). I've never felt lonelier in my life.


I agree with many of the 40ish unmarried crowd. People our age generally don't just hang out with buddies we just met. I left all my old
friends in Texas and with the brutal winters here, I just spend 5 months watching tv and surfing the net. I love the locals but I don't have enough in common with them to make any friends.

Going to try Thailand as soon as this semester is over.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lozwich wrote:
Looking for my place, how long have you been in your current location? I know this isn't very helpful, but after the last little while, I've really learned that loneliness comes from within. Sure, its nice to spend time with people and have someone around, but like MO39 and Sweeny 66 have reminded me, it is better to be alone than with bad company. That's the distinction between loneliness and aloneness I think.



Yes, lozwich, I agree that it's important to recognize the difference between being alone and being lonely. And it can be a cultural thing too. For example, I think that in Mexico the mere idea of being alone implies being lonely whereas perhaps in other countries (I'll speak of the US, my place of origin) being alone can be seen as something positive.

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MO, dating hey? Thanks to my situation, I haven't been able to do much more than think about dating for the past 3 years. I'm looking forward to doing a bit more of that when I move on in August, but I'm scared! Shocked Sharing my life with someone is a bit daunting after all this time on my own and very little compromise... Good luck to you though!

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I find that sharing my life with someone (of the opposite sex) is always both daunting and delicious. My problem is that I veer from one extreme to the other, from feeling gleeful to glum, when things aren't working out.
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lozwich



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MO39 wrote:
My problem is that I veer from one extreme to the other, from feeling gleeful to glum, when things aren't working out.


Its been so long since I've been a relationship of any substance, I can't remember what I'm like.. I have changed so much since then, its going to be a big surprise for me to find out what I'm like in relationships. That is, if I ever have one again. Feeling like Sally Spinster lately.. Crying or Very sad
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MO39



Joined: 28 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lozwich wrote:
MO39 wrote:
My problem is that I veer from one extreme to the other, from feeling gleeful to glum, when things aren't working out.


Its been so long since I've been a relationship of any substance, I can't remember what I'm like.. I have changed so much since then, its going to be a big surprise for me to find out what I'm like in relationships. That is, if I ever have one again. Feeling like Sally Spinster lately.. Crying or Very sad


I feel as though I haven't changed much since my younger dating years, unfortunately, though I can better cope with my mood swings. Ay, pobrecita, que no lo sientas tanto... Smile
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Jetgirly



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am pretty lonely here in (the boring suburbs of) Guadalajara, Mexico. I have only one English-speaking colleague, who is my housemate and the teacher who came on the teaching exchange with me. The teachers at the school are downright hostile (for a good reason- we were basically sent here as "volunteers" and took their paying jobs from them... not that we knew this before we arrived!) and usually don't even acknowledge us. I have two other English-speaking friends in the city (the one who likes to do stuff is going home at the end of the month, though), and I'm friendly with some of my neighbours... but it's just been REALLY hard to meet people. I asked my employer (well, the international exchange coordinator who works for my employer) to put me in touch with some of the other international students at the university (I'm teaching at the attached high school) and they said they don't have the manpower to help me. Everywhere else I've taught has been really social and I've made a lot of friends (both foreigners and locals), so this is kind of a disappointment. It makes me long for the days of teaching adults!
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Looking for my place



Joined: 09 Sep 2005
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Location: Portland

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Jetgirly,

I spent a year in Guadalajara and while it did seem to be a little more conservative than I was used to, I ended up loving it in the end. How long have you been there? I say hang in and things will get better soon.... I have also gone from adult ESL teaching into being a middle school teacher and find it equally challenging. Imagine that I am in a city 50 times more closed than Guadalajara. This is my third country I have lived in and know the usual ways to integrate and make firiends, usually without any problems, but after almost a year here, I can't say that I am more than an acquaintance with any of locals.
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MO39



Joined: 28 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking for my place wrote:
Imagine that I am in a city 50 times more closed than Guadalajara. This is my third country I have lived in and know the usual ways to integrate and make firiends, usually without any problems, but after almost a year here, I can't say that I am more than an acquaintance with any of locals.


Where are you living? Perhaps it's a place that the rest of us should avoid in the future...
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Marcoregano



Joined: 19 May 2003
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Location: Hong Kong

PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dare I say it, a much more interesting thread than usual. Seems that most posters are in or around Latin America. I once spent a year travelling around South America (90-91) and much of that was alone, and sometimes lonely, though I don't remember (at least not often) wishing for more company.

Perhaps as, like many of you, I like having time to myself. And company, when it's not wanted, can be stressful! I'm now in Hong Kong, and probably endured some of my loneliest moments in my first year here when I was unemployed but everyone I knew was working. Being lost in a busy city can be a bitterly lonely experience.

Among Asians, as I have been for 11 years now, I often get the impression that a desire to be alone is seen as a bit unusual. Perhaps it's because so many places here are crowded that people become addicted to company. In China they certainly have a very different way of seeing things. While in the UK we like to "escape" to the countryside (where it's quiet - and maybe 'lonely'), the Chinese seek "the freedom to flock together" - a popular expression. In HK too, the locals like nothing better than to go shopping in ridiculously crowded malls and streets, bouncing off one another as they go about it.
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Will.



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of the more isolated places, and times, in my history were the least loneliest. I guess it depends on what you are doing and at what stage of your life you are.
Being outgoing or extrovert is not always an advantage but the opposite helps little too.
Getting involved in local life in any way is a method of integration, even shopping at the local market brings you into contact and creates a familiarity with routine purchases from the same source and you meet your neighbours...or they get to see you, and from there...sports centres baths etc
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SueH



Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Location: Northern Italy

PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MO39 wrote:
I find that sharing my life with someone (of the opposite sex) is always both daunting and delicious. My problem is that I veer from one extreme to the other, from feeling gleeful to glum, when things aren't working out.


I get that too, but opportunities are even less when it isn't the opposite sex you're interested in!

Italy is pretty good as I've made some good friends and followed the advice Will has given. I train with a local sports team, I play/am learning local traditional music on my instruments. I also go regularly to some local bars and have a group of old guys (mainly) who are good to join for a shared bottle and are 'safe' Smile - always there and a bit like an Austrian stammtisch; plus a younger crowd at the late night bar. There are though, similar influences to China in that people here don't tend to do things alone.

I don't think loneliness is necessarily connected with absence of human contact: whoever said it comes from within accords with my view. But age (let alone sexuality) certainly limits us older ones in making that one connection which often makes up for the absence of many others. Having said that, company invariably lifts me, as does teaching.Smile
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