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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:29 pm    Post subject: Bachelors but not in English Reply with quote

From what I've been reading on some recent posts, it sounds like it may be difficult to get an FM3 work visa in DF if the degreee isn't English related. My degree is in Social Sciences and there are four areas of concentration:

Sociology
Anthropology
Psychology
Political Science

Anyone in DF had any problems becuase a degree isn't in English? I have three and a half years experience with adults at a community college and I have an online certificate TEFL so I'm hoping for no problems.
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MO39



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Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana

PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I've been told, INM doesn't seem to care about your teaching experience they just want to see a piece of paper that says you have completed a course of study (even a very, very short one) that qualifies you to teach English. I don't know, jfurgers, if they would care that your certificate is from an on-line program.
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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm thinking I'll be OK because I just remembered someone who is teaching kids in DF and they don't have a Bachelors yet.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jfurgers wrote:
I'm thinking I'll be OK because I just remembered someone who is teaching kids in DF and they don't have a Bachelors yet.


One reason it will be difficult for me is that I don't want to work for a school, but for myself, with an "independiente" status. If your friend found a school that wanted to hire him or her, then probably a letter from the school to INM could do the trick.
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GueroPaz



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MO39 wrote:
jfurgers wrote:
I'm thinking I'll be OK because I just remembered someone who is teaching kids in DF and they don't have a Bachelors yet.


One reason it will be difficult for me is that I don't want to work for a school, but for myself, with an "independiente" status. If your friend found a school that wanted to hire him or her, then probably a letter from the school to INM could do the trick.
That makes twice today, that you have reminded me to get my TEFL certificate apostilled in Bangkok, since I want to teach independiente. Thanks, MO39.
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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So would it be easier to get the FM3 if one is teaching kids compared to working for a language institute teaching adults?? I think I'll investigate both once I get to DF.
I have a letter from the online school that gave me my TEFL certificate. It's like a notary but I haven't gotten it apostilled because it's out of the state I'm living in. Is it CRITICAL to get it apostilled also? Most people I talk with tell me I will have no problem in DF, especially if I can find a school that will do the process for me.
My research shows that Berlitz will do all of the paper work for a person if they sign a year contract and have the documents (passport, apostilled degree). Berlitz never mentioned anything about having a certificate apostilled.
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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also have a certificate from Mexico City but it's from 1997. I lived in DF for about eight months and during the summer of 97, I took a course (not online) and got a CTEFL. It lasted about two months and I went five days a week for about six hours a day. Hopefully that will help since it's from Mexico City even though it's a bit dated.
I have a letter from the college here in the States where I've been teaching for three and a half years so hopefully that will help also.
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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MO39 wrote:


One reason it will be difficult for me is that I don't want to work for a school, but for myself, with an "independiente" status.



If you had an FM3 from a school, you wouldn't be able to teach privately on the sides? The FM3 from a school only allows you to work for THAT school only, correct??
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Samantha



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right. To comply with regulations of INAM, each separate "lucrative activity" is added to your existing FM3, unless you are self-employed like Mo39, PhilK, and Geoaronson.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jfurgers wrote:
So would it be easier to get the FM3 if one is teaching kids compared to working for a language institute teaching adults??
I have a letter from the online school that gave me my TEFL certificate. It's like a notary but I haven't gotten it apostilled because it's out of the state I'm living in. Is it CRITICAL to get it apostilled also?
My research shows that Berlitz will do all of the paper work for a person if they sign a year contract and have the documents (passport, apostilled degree). Berlitz never mentioned anything about having a certificate apostilled.


I don't think that the age of the students you'd be teaching or where you'd be teaching them has anything to do with the ease of getting an FM3. Rather it depends on having your papers all in order, which would include a letter from the school wanting to hire you extolling your pedagogic virtues to the INM.

It's crucial to have your TEFL certificate apostilled before you get here because non-apostilled documents are of no value to Migraci�n.

Are you sure you want to work for Berlitz? The best thing I can say about that operation is that I was never offered a job by them (this was in the States) because (I suspect) I have too much teaching experience under my belt. Just because Berlitz hasn't said anything about needing to have your documents apostilled doesn't mean that you can skip that step.

I hope all this helps!
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MO39



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="jfurgers"]I also have a certificate from Mexico City but it's from 1997. I lived in DF for about eight months and during the summer of 97, I took a course (not online) and got a CTEFL. It lasted about two months and I went five days a week for about six hours a day. Hopefully that will help since it's from Mexico City even though it's a bit dated.
/quote]

I think it should be fine, though it's a few years old. After all, INM accepts college degrees that could be lots older than that! And since you got it in Mexico, you won't have to have it apostilled.
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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your help MO39. I may try to get my most recent certificate apostilled if I have time. If not I guess I will just have to see what happens.
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