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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is s/he really more balanced or is it just because s/he agrees with you. Laughing I'd say that this whole thread is reflects the usual situation. Half of the teachers will be the grumbling, never happy crowd that seems to be typical of TEFL in the Gulf... and half will get on with it because they have perhaps more realistic expectations.

If it is true that over 100 people left in the last couple years and if it was an awful place, a large number of them would be here posting. There is no reason for those who leave to fear posting. That suggests that the situation there is the usual... tolerable for a contract or two or three and then time to move on. Let's face it, many of us hold on because we do like the lifestyle of the city we live in, and the pay is good enough and arrives every month... and our students are tolerable... and the management mostly stays out of our hair.

I suspect that a large proportion of teachers leaving these days is because of the decline of the Gulf currencies and attendant rising costs. Obviously the 25% raise was to try to stem that flow.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VS, you've nailed it on the head.

There are, of course, unhappy people at UGRU. But I wouldn't say I have met many of them at all.

I think that if one is constantly comparing things to the way they are done at home, too, they tend to be much unhappier. Comparing work environments, expectations, etc. to the US, UK, or wherever is simply unrealistic in the Gulf.

I've been working overseas now for over a decade, and I can honestly say that UGRU is the most organized, well put together program with the most competent coordinators I have ever seen during my time overseas. Instructors are well supported, resources are plentiful, and the program is run competently. Like I mentioned before, all it takes is a wee chat with instructors / teachers at other institutions to realize that UGRU is a pretty darn good place to work. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess we're all the proverbial blind men describing different sides of the same elephant. We all know which side Arabantics got stuck describing Laughing !

I have a theory about our newly signed-on Arabantics. I believe that he/she is one of those disgruntled employees who left a year or two ago. Sorry A, but your complaints are so 2006 (an unsettled period for UGRU). I even think you may be one of the many who left and have come crawling back this year begging to be rehired. Yes friends, it seems that many of our departed got a good dose of reality and realised UGRU wasn't so bad after all. Could it be that A is one of the few they refused to take back? That's my theory. I could be wrong though. He/she could always be one of the 12 leaving this year.

Gotta go teach a class/read my novel/devise a way to make myself look good so I can get outstanding evaluations. Oh wait, that sounds like too much work. I think simply teaching would be much easier.

Peace Out
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

773 said:
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Comparing work environments, expectations, etc. to the US, UK, or wherever is simply unrealistic in the Gulf.


Except that in order to get accreditation that is exactly what universities here are doing. Something VERY depressing about working in a low level programme when the powers at the top kid themselves it's a real university.

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I've been working overseas now for over a decade, and I can honestly say that UGRU is the most organized, well put together program with the most competent coordinators I have ever seen during my time overseas.

I've been working overseas for considerably longer than that and UGRU seems like an expense of good MAs in a waste of low level teaching. ESP seems particularly weird, with the most arbitrary assessment systems (although at least they deign to teach ESP again). Mind you, ESP has had, what, 6 coordinators in the last 10 years or so?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am still employed by UGRU and am not leaving this year but may do next year. I think those that don't hear too much grumbling don't have too many friends. As for all those coming back...at last count it was TWO. Not exactly hordes. I have also been overseas for more than a decade and this is the WORST place I have worked in. You have to be joking about the good 'organization' in UGRU. I haven't seen an exam, event, workshop or assessment that has been well 'organized' yet. As for those disgruntled ones not posting�..I wouldn�t be bothered posting either if I wasn�t here and fed up with the UGRU apologists who appear on this board. If someone had warned me on this board about this place (and I spent many hours here looking for insight before I signed on) then I might not have taken this job and taken the one that ZU offered instead. I haven't worked at home in over a decade so I can't be one of those caught in the trap of comparing it to how its done back home. I can say without a doubt that some of the UGRU management are extremely shady characters. I am not talking about level coordiantors either.
VS, I am not giving Iamherebecause a plug because the poster and I agree (we don�t on all things if you check another post of mine on another topic ) but I am aware that I am an unhappy poster and the apologists are not to be believed so Scot47 should have a careful look at someone a bit more balanced.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

arabantics wrote:
I am still employed by UGRU and am not leaving this year but may do next year. I think those that don't hear too much grumbling don't have too many friends.


This is interesting because I think that I have made many friends at UGRU. But, it is a huge department. Misery loves company, and so do the happy folks.

arabantics wrote:
I have also been overseas for more than a decade and this is the WORST place I have worked in.


Out of curiosity, why is it the worst? Why were other places better?

arabantics wrote:
You have to be joking about the good 'organization' in UGRU. I haven't seen an exam, event, workshop or assessment that has been well 'organized' yet.


I disagree with this. Yes, some things are announced last minute, but doesn't that happen in most places in the UAE / in many places overseas? Good planning and organization is hard to come by in many regions of the world and should not, as a general rule, be expected. But don't you think that the coordinators are quite organized? I certainly do. They work with what they are given, and I think that they are doing a great job.

arabantics wrote:
If someone had warned me on this board about this place (and I spent many hours here looking for insight before I signed on) then I might not have taken this job and taken the one that ZU offered instead.


And why do you think there wasn't much info on this board? I'll tell you why...happy employees typically don't post here. It's the disgruntled who typically do.

I don't know, I guess I am a bit surprised by your comments. I am sincerely interested in why you feel the way you do, because I really don't see your point of view...I mean that in the nicest of ways, I just simply don't see it around me at all. It's almost like we are working for two completely different universities. Very Happy But that's what makes the world go round, no?

I have worked in places outside of the UAE where students are more motivated and the standards are higher, and where students are sincerely driven by the need to succeed. That made the student body in those places more palatable. But as an employer, UGRU still seems to me to be the best around.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

arabantics wrote:
I am still employed by UGRU...


Oh, now I understand. Please forgive me and allow me to apologise. I think we all assumed you were a lecturer at UGRU. So embarrassing. Yes, you're correct, UGRU is a horrible place to work if you're a member of the CLEANCO crew.

But never fear. I just read that ZU is still hiring for next year. You have time to get out! I hear ZU's facilities are out of this world. A true slice of heaven, indeed. Glistening white tiles and self-cleaning urinals are only one application away. I'm sure you'll be so much happier there.
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