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North China Laowei
Joined: 08 Apr 2008
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 Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject: See Below |
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| hairuo wrote: |
| I dont think you can get a visa in one day now... could be wrong, but when I was there another American was told that at the end of that week, there would be no more one day service until October. He was told the processing time would be four days. I was just happy to get the visa and head back to see my friends in Guangzhou. The bus from Panyu Hotel to downtown Hong Kong, cant remember the station, was 130 yuan. The bus takes 3 hours from Panyu. I like the city itself, it is quite a different place. |
Dear Kind Hairuo,
I wanted to answer your posting earlier but was still busy trying to sort out my own affairs.
1. You are correct. There now is an interview and a photograph session (the photograph session can be very brief and the interview length at least in my own two cases of interviews has varied from "oh" to questions in Chinese -- which I pretended not to understand. That helped matters).
2. Yes, for Hunan, Guangdong, Sichuan and many of the other southern provinces, a Hong Kong visa run is needed.
3. There technically still is same-day service in Hong Kong but I have not seen it happen recently in terms of my friends who have been obligated to down this run. One British couple I know, who did not want to pay extra for the same day service, parsimonious as they are, had the pleasure of sitting ten extra days in Hong Kong. Penny-wise and pound-foolish. In any case, same day services requires a very, very early morning appearance the Visa Office and an early evening pick-up.
4. I would encourage every FT in China to look at his or her own visa situation very, very carefully. For those of you who have the option of renewing your contracts, I would renew the contract because in-country renewals of Z visa aka resident permits or whatever are still being processed.
If you want to bail out at the end of the next term, just do the 30-or-90 day bail-out clause with a big gracious smile and lots of kindness. But I would encourage all to CYA until at least November. The situation is indeed a little grim, and I am not a pessimist by nature at all.
For everyone on this Board's edification, Beijing has officially published a list of thirty-three (33) countries the citizens of which may not apply for visas at all any more in Hong Kong until after the Olympics. The list was officially published in the Official Gazette on April 14, 2008. It includes countries as diverse as Nigeria, South Africa, the Philippines, etc." In any case, "F" visas have totally evaporated. Citizens of those countries are now obliged to return home to apply for any kind of a visa until at least October 18, 2008.
All things being said, for those mid-to-long term China hands, CYA is decided in order. |
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North China Laowei
Joined: 08 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:42 pm Post subject: See Below |
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North China Laowai: Get the medical in China forgo the process in their home country? I would not recommend that.
OP: Get your medical here in your home country, some provinces like to see the medical before they issue you a contract. (some)
It is also important to rule out any medical reasons that would preclude you from being able to acquire the residence permit. A small minority of folks get an unpleasant surprise when the Chinese Drs find something medically that disqualifies them from residence.
No employer will pay for you to return. So if you have the fiancial wherewithal, and confident in your health, you could come to China and get your medical exam and save some money. But for most people, its best to get your exam in your home country and be secure. There is afterall a good reason why the government recommends getting your exam in advance. |
To restate what I said in another topic, yes, one should please get a cursory medical in one's home country to ensure that one has none of the diseases or even mild symptoms thereof that will cause one's residence application to be denied in China -- TB, herpes of any kind (and they are now checking really thoroughly for that here -- I have had two almost-colleagues bounced in the last two years for this reason), any of the venereal diseases, etc., etc., any of the HIV, etc., etc., and that the lungs are clear. In Guangdong, for example, a person that I know from Canada was bounced because the person had contracted a STD 20 years, had been treated at that point but there were traces of the STD in the antibodies still to be found. Chucked out within 72 hours. Not pleasant I can assure you.
Askawino, that is what I had written previously. Sorry that you missed it. |
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hairuo
Joined: 19 Mar 2006
Posts: 473
Location: Somewhere in China
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Hubei Province is considered central China, not southern. |
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Leon Purvis
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
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Location: Nowhere Near Beijing
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:42 am Post subject: |
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Why in h*ll would anyone stateside even RISK being denied a Z visa upon arrival in China? It is SO MUCH easier to get the visa from the consulate as long as the school is ALLOWED by law to hire foreigners. You'll find that out real fast if :
A. Your prospective employer cannot secure a letter of invitation from the provincial government
and/or (I qualify this because situations vary)
B. The consulate will not issue a visa for you to work for that school The last time i checked, in order to secure a Z visa, one needed to provide proof that he was going to China for gainful employment by the Chinese government. That's what the letter of invitation is all about. You get one copy, the school gets one copy. You send yours to the consulate along with the other requested documentation.
Would anyone even consider driving to the other side of his own country in search of a job or at the mere promise of a job without real proof that there's even a job to be had?
Come on, people. Think. It's not as if there's a Gold Rush taking place and the benefits are worth the risks of being lost in China without the wherewithal to even leave?
Anyone who thinks he's going to be able to pull a stunt from now until the end of the year is fooling himself.
But then again, it's just something that I wouldn't attempt. Judging by some of the stories I've heard on this forum, the sight of Chinese police and the inside of a jail house is like a visit home for some folks. |
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Leon Purvis
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
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Location: Nowhere Near Beijing
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My experience is that unless the consulate specifically states IN WRITING (not on a web site) that it won't issue a Z visa without a medical check at home, don't bother with the stateside checkup unless your insurance will cover it, and you think you may have a condition which could exclude you from work and residence in China.
This was the advice I was given in '84 and I ignored it. The school ignored my medical evaluation (which was much more detailed than city's clinic). In '86, I decided to go ahead and have another complete physical stateside, even though everyone on the forum said not to. I wanted to know if there was any change in my health (the stateside exam was free), and I had hoped that maybe the physical would be accepted upon my return.
Nope.
The school had to pay for the physical both times so I am sure that it wasn't a scam.
I don't think that any school will tell you that your stateside physical won't be accepted. It'll be pointed out to you that it's cheaper in China and that the school will pay for it. That gets them off the hook when you arrive and are told that your state-of-the art physical exam is inferior to their 1920's Chinese technology.
Aside from the physical, get everything done and wrapped up before you buy your ticket. |
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keeplovingchina
Joined: 12 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: How to get a working "Z" visa in Shanghai, Jiangsu |
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in China, different cities/provinces, defferent rules and regulations about how to get a working visa.
right now, ONLY in Shanghai, Jiangsu and Guangdong can do a working visa change in the local PSB office. You don't need to spend money and time go to Hong Kong to get a working visa.
Shanghai, Jiangsu and Guangdong are the most advantageous areas to get a working visa, residence permit. If you get a job in other areas, You should go to Hong Kong to apply for a working visa. Or you have to get a working visa in Chinese Embassy before you enter China. |
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