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norbdemn · Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 128

Noticed a teaching opportunity for this place on the Job board. Seems to be a new school in HCMC.

Anyone know anything about this place?

What have you heard?

Thanks.

norbdemn · Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 128

Someone here heard of this place, C'mon!!

Spit it out...........

Tanker · Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 72

Norb,

You've been surfing the web for at least 3 years asking about schools, and you diss them when they give you contracts over the phone/email.

Just come.

If you're serious, just come here.

With all these questions on the web, you're wasting your time.

norbdemn · Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 128

[quote="Tanker"]Norb,

You've been surfing the web for at least 3 years asking about schools, and you diss them when they give you contracts over the phone/email.

Just come.

If you're serious, just come here.

With all these questions on the web, you're wasting your time.[/quote]

Who are you really, Tanker??....LOL

N'Nuther Brick · Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 23

Here's something real:

http://eduwoldvietnam.blogspot.com/

teacherviet · Joined: 30 Nov 2007 Posts: 18

I have never worked for EDUWORLD and do not have much information concerning the school. However, it's necessary to evaluate Mr David's contract and his blog to determine whether the school has not abided by the terms and conditions of the contract.

He states the following:"Let me be completely honest: This is an effort for me to be paid three months wages against a company who is trying to weasel out of their commitment after 2 and a half weeks time."

Does the school owe him three months salary?

According to the contract, if it was ever signed by both parties, he was employed as a part-time teacher(Article1.1). He is not guaranteed a minimum number of teaching hours per month, therefore, he only gets paid for the hours which he has delivered during that month. And his salary will change every month depending on his contact teaching hours
and other non-teaching payments.

Termination of agreement(Article1.2): There are certain conditions where is part-time employment can be terminated with no notice. In addition, each party must give 30 days notice to the other party to terminate the agreement. We do not know whether his employment finished concerning the above conditions, but it sounds like he was not given 30 days' notice.

Due to the above, the school does not owe him 3 months salary. They only owe him for the hours which he has taught during the 2.5 week period. There is an outstanding issue concerning whether the school
should compensate him for not giving him 30 days notice, if this is the case.

Finally, there are always two sides to every story. Unfortunatly, we rarely here the employer's side on these discussion forums. In addition, there are both dishonest employers and teachers in the EFL industry.

May I suggest that Mr David re-read the terms and conditions of his contract.

half moon · Joined: 17 Jul 2007 Posts: 49

Aside from the disagreement over a contract I'm interested in how this new school will do.

It's only been open for a few weeks, so after a few months one can asses this school.

lizarddoctor · Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 141 Location: HCMC, Vietnam

This school is owned by Ms. Binh who also owns APU. Just in case anyone isn't aware of that fact since no one has posted it yet. Might affect a few peoples decision to check it out.

N'Nuther Brick · Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 23

Teacherviet adds a lot of balance here. It's obvious that he or she has a real working knowledge of both law and teaching contracts. And that is surely needed in the business. At the minimum he/she is correct in that either party has the right to give 30 days notice. The dispute then becomes, "when does either party have the right to terminate without notice?" According to this particular contract the employer has the right to terminate employees on that basis but there are no reciprocal provisions for employees. Contract language might then further be interpreted as subjective or unfair in certain circumstances � or as many contracts are written, and I would ascertain, unclear in this case.

Then of course, there is the possibility of constructive dismissal � where the employer creates a situation where it is impossible for the employee to meets the objectives of the mission � that is, if clear objectives were ever communicated in the first place.

If you're interested in soap operas this is as good as any I've seen recently. The blog is being updated daily. http://eduwoldvietnam.blogspot.com/

The post prior to this makes an important point also: We'll have to wait a few months to see how this school pans out. Not making a mess out of things right now will certainly help their future.

teacherviet · Joined: 30 Nov 2007 Posts: 18

Mr Brick made the following comment:

�At the minimum he/she is correct in that either party has the right to give 30 days notice. The dispute then becomes, "when does either party have the right to terminate without notice?" According to this particular contract the employer has the right to terminate employees on that basis but there are no reciprocal provisions for employees.�

This is not really true in reality, a teacher in Vietnam can terminate their employment at any time by walking out the door. In fact, this is one of the major problems concerning the TEFL industry, immoral and unethical teachers collecting their salaries and leaving the school without giving any notice. In addition, I have never heard of a school seeking damages against a teacher who left with no notice. However, I do know of teachers who have received compensation from their employers because they did not abide by the terms and conditions concerning termination.

If you are David, why do you think the school owes you three months� salary? As I understand it, you worked there for 2.5 weeks and then the school terminated your employment. If that is the case, you should receive the money for the contact teaching hours during that period and nothing else. You were employed as a part-time teacher without a guaranteed monthly salary. In fact, the school could have taken your classes away from you and then given you 30 days� notice.

You also stated in your blog, �That's it. When they pay me, appropriately, I'll stop this nonsense. It makes both parties look stupid.�
What is appropriate? If the above is correct about you working for only 2.5 weeks according to your blog. Then you should get paid for the hours that you taught, stop this nonsence, and move on to something more constructive and honest.

Rabbit81 · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 32

N'Nuther Brick · Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 23

Okay teacherviet...don't jump the gun...

I'm a slow writer for sure, but let me do my best before you jump to conclusions.

Read the latest... "on contracts"

http://eduwoldvietnam.blogspot.com/2008/04/on-contracts.html

...and then wait, just a bit for the "conflict" embroiled in the enigma, shrouded in the mystery that is this whole deal.

You seem a student, or at least a management practitioner of the legal gymnastics of all this, so you may be interested in the whole story. I'm sure ILA would be.

Mr. Kalgukshi · Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject:

This thread is permanently locked due to the actions of two members who should assume they have just received a final warning for their posting behavior resulting in several inappropriate postings being deleted.