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Henry_Cowell
Joined: 27 May 2005
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| So our "English professor" does have a chance after all! |
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Mark a Teacher
Joined: 29 Jan 2005
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Location: Chicago Ill USA
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: not that difficult |
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| If you have experience its not at all that difficult to find jobs in Italy for non-EU teachers. That is just a bunch of bull put out by European teachers trying to scare off competition...do a search for some of my other older posts here as they still apply today...CIAO! |
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Mark a Teacher
Joined: 29 Jan 2005
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Location: Chicago Ill USA
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: Get real guys! |
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| If we continue to let Italy wallow in it and send the right message, than the schools will eventually have to start sharing more of the pie! |
Sorry, but your comments sound totally arrogant and extremely naive! Do you realize just HOW MANY people are willing to live in Italy? And how many there already are?! No, the right approach is to be realistic about the supply and demand of teachers in Italy...Then be prepared. Be a professional. And agree to live up to your and your schools expectations as a professional. That way you can appreciate and be appreciated for what teaching in Italy is really about. Forget that arrogant approach, its a sure way to get you kicked out the door fast...
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| "On another topic, I looked into buying an english school on the coast of Italy and so I've seen the books already, it's sad what "HUGE" profits the owner of the schools are making and how little they are sharing with the teachers!" |
They have shown you the books?! If they were making a fortune in this language school why would they want to sell this school to YOU? In business, the value of a company is a MINIMUM three times total net profit at year end.
Also why are so many of them going out of business? I really doubt the profits are THAT huge. Remember Italy has a taxation rate at about 40%.And don't even begin to talk about what employers pay the government for workers! And tax and legal laws change so often you are dead without good accountants and lawyers on your side.Which ain't cheap either. Further, unless you are charging your clients and arm and a leg ,which I also doubt, (small citites and town dont have the necessity for English schools and larger cities and towns reek with competition)it just doesn't seem like an investment as good as any other business venture. Something simply doesn't seem right in your explanation, however, if you still wish to pursue this idea, before you do, I have a bridge in Florence Im looking to sell on the cheap!LOL |
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Teacher in Rome
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| If you have experience its not at all that difficult to find jobs in Italy for non-EU teachers. That is just a bunch of bull put out by European teachers trying to scare off competition... |
No, not "bull", but good advice. The Italian economy right now is pants, and teacher incomes are not much better. Why risk the extra hassle of working in the black, with all the associated risks, for not much financial gain? In over seven years living here, I have never seen such a squeeze on training budgets. Everyone's tightening their belts, and teaching in Italy isn't such a good financial or career move right now. As I've said before, I think you can do well here if you work in the state sector, or if you are sufficiently experienced to do a variety of things. Otherwise, if you give yourself the added hurdle of being non-EU, you are even less employable than European teachers. And most of them are scrabbling around for decent paid work.
FWIW, my money's on China! |
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EnglishProfessor
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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Location: United States
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:09 am Post subject: Hello again |
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Sorry about not responding lately, but I had a small interruption.....surgery! I've never needed surgery in my life and quite suddenly found myself in the Hospital a few weeks ago. This is exactly something that if it had happened in Italy as an illegal, what would I have done? Would they have treated me in Italy or simply looked at my sideways and say "go home"!  -
So, now that this is behind me, I can regain some focus. I did read up on the replies that lead us to the present with not much better news. I am still in contact with this Language School in Italy, they still are very much interested, but they have changed their tune slightly. Now they are suggesting that they can provide enough paperwork to get me a Student Visa for a TOEFL language training program in which once I've completed, they would then try to convert it to a Work Visa to be a teacher trainer of the exact program. So it appears as though they are trying to basically self-generate a position for me and hopefully establishing a demand if they don't already have it for the TOEFL exams in their school. It sounds great, but then they advised me the training program is only 3 months. So, does that mean the Italian Consulate will only issue a Visa for 3 months? That's not much time to be legal. So, I'm not sure about it, any advice from the pro's would be appreciated.
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EnglishProfessor
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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Location: United States
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: Re: Get real guys! |
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| Mark a Teacher wrote: |
| EnglishProfessor wrote: |
| If we continue to let Italy wallow in it and send the right message, than the schools will eventually have to start sharing more of the pie! |
Sorry, but your comments sound totally arrogant and extremely naive! Do you realize just HOW MANY people are willing to live in Italy? And how many there already are?! No, the right approach is to be realistic about the supply and demand of teachers in Italy...Then be prepared. Be a professional. And agree to live up to your and your schools expectations as a professional. That way you can appreciate and be appreciated for what teaching in Italy is really about. Forget that arrogant approach, its a sure way to get you kicked out the door fast...
| EnglishProfessor wrote: |
| "On another topic, I looked into buying an english school on the coast of Italy and so I've seen the books already, it's sad what "HUGE" profits the owner of the schools are making and how little they are sharing with the teachers!" |
They have shown you the books?! If they were making a fortune in this language school why would they want to sell this school to YOU? In business, the value of a company is a MINIMUM three times total net profit at year end.
Also why are so many of them going out of business? I really doubt the profits are THAT huge. Remember Italy has a taxation rate at about 40%.And don't even begin to talk about what employers pay the government for workers! And tax and legal laws change so often you are dead without good accountants and lawyers on your side.Which ain't cheap either. Further, unless you are charging your clients and arm and a leg ,which I also doubt, (small citites and town dont have the necessity for English schools and larger cities and towns reek with competition)it just doesn't seem like an investment as good as any other business venture. Something simply doesn't seem right in your explanation, however, if you still wish to pursue this idea, before you do, I have a bridge in Florence Im looking to sell on the cheap!LOL |
They are selling the school because the owner desires to slowly drift into retirement. She has worked the school up to be a very successful school, with not just English language, but a number of other languages, translation services and such. She is looking to still work their P/T, but desires to get out from the legal ownership of it all and start a semi-retired lifestyle. As far as I am concerned, if she can do that, what a great way to enjoy some of the fruits of her labor! |
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Henry_Cowell
Joined: 27 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| If you are an English professor, why on earth would you want to teach in a mere language school? |
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EnglishProfessor
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:11 pm Post subject: Wow........not so literally folks...... |
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Wow.......guess I need to change my nickname to English Teacher huh? Sorry, I am not an English Professor in an official capacity. That is just my nickname....LOL...gee wizz folks, do you look at everybody's nick and take it literally?
Sorry if I mislead anyone _ |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| It's misled. That's past tense. |
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hughesie
Joined: 22 Apr 2008
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I wouldn't work in Italy and I'm legal! 
Common sense dictates that working for less than 900 Euros a month as an illegal is such a bad idea that you shouldn't really contemplate it.
TinR - Asia is the future! Absolutley correct! |
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peder
Joined: 30 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| I just left italy after two years of working under the table (I'm an american). I had no problems finding a job. I bought a one ticket and had about $1500, I found a job in three days. This last spring I had a problem with my eye and I went to the hospital, they didn't ask for any i.d. only my name and address. I got a check up and a prescription all for about 30 euros, (Much cheaper than here in the US). I was also able to save about 400 euros a month. Most of the non eu teachers that I knew had simalar experiences. My point: If you want to go to italy stop worrying so much and just go, all the posts here are describing the worst case senerios, just take the first step and things will fall into place. |
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SueH
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Location: Northern Italy
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peder - with your experience you'll know therefore how things change in Italy : from one region to the next, from one day to the next. I'm EU and early retired so effectively I'm in the same position as someone in nero, and I'm not sure what will happen when my tessera sanitaria needs renewing. Last time it happened I fell off the system and couldn't get my prescription renewed. Since then regulations have been further tightened and with the new government things will be even tighter if you are an immigrant - although probably better if you are white.
People might be OK, but it wouldn't be right if those of us here on the ground didn't give an idea of the situation. At least it'll save the cry of 'why didn't anybody tell me?!' as people are always going to do what they want to. Fair enough I say, but our advice still stands. |
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Vince
Joined: 05 May 2003
Posts: 559
Location: U.S.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| SueH wrote: |
| People might be OK, but it wouldn't be right if those of us here on the ground didn't give an idea of the situation. At least it'll save the cry of 'why didn't anybody tell me?!' as people are always going to do what they want to. Fair enough I say, but our advice still stands. |
I appreciate that, and I'm glad the advice here is so frank. There might be ways to fudge oneself into a working situation, but I wouldn't want to be there without being completely on the level. Although I'm disappointed to learn that a vacation package is the deepest I can legally explore my ancestral homeland, I respect Italy's sovereign right to determine its immigration policy. |
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