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arioch36
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I don't want to talk about grammar. I refuse to. Makes me feel like I've been at a wedding and had too much baijiu.
How many classifications can fit on the tip of a grammarians pen?
As many as are needed to get published or write a dissertation
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| So if we drop "noun", and replace it with "headword", as functional grammar dictates, then "baseball" is a classifier, and "bat" is a headword. |
I do not concur with the "If". A headword can be a noun, verb, whatever. But in classifying something as a headword, we do not drop the classification of noun (verb, whatever) (fpor classifications of "groups"
My understanding, in functional grammar, we list many kinds of modifiers. Chinese would be a classifier. Baseball would be a noun modifier (a noun that modifies a noun)
I guess to be more specific, "baseball" would be a rank-shift embedded noun modifier if "baseball" is not a true compound noun. I would accept baseball as a true compound noun (singular), a noun modifying a noun, a noun acting as an adjective, or by functional grammar clasification, a "noun modifier"
I could agree with the ability to argue "baseball bat" itself is a compound noun, thus would be the headword. Does cricket use a bat, or a paddle? If we want to envision that perhaps in America there is only one kind of bat, called a baseball bat, then baseball does not modify bat, "baseball bat is the thing itself. Functonal grammar talks about how the verb can become the noun, vice versa. Functional shift theory would argue that such a functional shift could take place. But in America we have whiffle ball bats, softball bats ...cricket paddle. So baseball does modify bat
Soft ball is clearly rank shift embedded, as is hard ball, whiffle ball. I don't see this in the term of "baseball"
Anyways, unless I am clueless, which certainly is a possibility, in functional grammar classification, classifiers are never (never say never) nouns
The hand-carved American Louisiville Slugger Baseball bat
American - provenance classifier
hand-carved ... well "carved" (anyways).. - participle modifier
Louisiville slugger - rank shift embedded noun modifier (substance)
baseball - noun modifier (function)
PS Please give me that bottle of fine wine.
Headword?
Organise and Classify all of the modifiers
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Dao ke dao
feichang dao
Ming ke ming
feichang ming
"I" is...
...a Verb...
As are...
...the fire...
...the river...
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eslstudies
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| I do not concur with the "If". A headword can be a noun, verb, whatever. |
We are talking about noun groups, so I don't agree.
WTF is a cricket paddle? W.G.Grace is turning in his grave. Along with round-ball football, cricket is the most widely followed sport in the world. 1.5 billion people in the sub-continent alone could tell you that. |
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Lobster
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You knew this was coming so no 
A cricket paddle is what grasshoppers use when travelling by canoe. Now clap for Tinkerbell by Jiminy!
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arioch36
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| I do not concur with the "If". A headword can be a noun, verb, whatever |
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We are talking about noun groups, so I don't agree. |
Exactly. The headword in anominal group is a noun. referring to it as a headword doesn't change the fact that it is still called a noun.
Agreed, I don't follow the world's most boring sport, cricket. Sorry to make you all mad. I was trying to make an attempt.
Somone wanted to argue baseball bat was a compound noun, so I was attempting to explore the possibility, perhaps if there were no other kinds of bats. That's why I get for trying to be helpful  . Certainly not really the main point of my wonderful post, ya know.
SORRY SORRY cricket bat for all of you cricket bashers out there |
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