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teflsweet



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:18 am    Post subject: new to TEFL, looking to teach in HK Reply with quote

I am getting my TEFL certification in 2 weeks, and will be starting a 6 month job in the States at a local school.

After that I would like to go to Hong Kong.

I have a BS (not in English).

What should I expect for salary for a year contract?
Any recommendations on good/reputable places to start my job search?

Thanks!
teflsweet
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Serious_Fun



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:22 am    Post subject: Re: new to TEFL, looking to teach in HK Reply with quote

teflsweet wrote:
I am getting my TEFL certification in 2 weeks, and will be starting a 6 month job in the States at a local school.

After that I would like to go to Hong Kong.

I have a BS (not in English).

What should I expect for salary for a year contract?
Any recommendations on good/reputable places to start my job search?

Thanks!
teflsweet


Congratulations, and I hope that your teaching experiences will be positive, both for your students and for yourself.

I suggest, however, that Hong Kong is not the best place to begin a career in TEFL. Finding a good job without professional quals is almost impossible, and the cost of living here is high relative to other teaching markets where one can find decent entry-level positions.

Do some research into the teaching opportunities in Korea and Taiwan if you have decided to work in Asia. You will find that the earnings potential for an individual with a B.S. and a TEFL Cert is much greater in those countries and will allow a more comfortable standard of living (plus savings).

good luck.

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Marcoregano



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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:50 am    Post subject: Re: new to TEFL, looking to teach in HK Reply with quote

teflsweet wrote:
I am getting my TEFL certification in 2 weeks, and will be starting a 6 month job in the States at a local school.

After that I would like to go to Hong Kong.

I have a BS (not in English).

What should I expect for salary for a year contract?
Any recommendations on good/reputable places to start my job search?

Thanks!
teflsweet


More info required, TSW:

Why HK? (Do you know HK?)

And what sort of school/job are you thinking of?
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Surfdude18



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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't it true that people without QTS can now enter the NET scheme (albeit at a lower payscale and with less potential for salary improvement/advancement)?
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11:59



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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has always been the case that those without QTS can enter the PNET scheme, but you are right, pay is 'capped' and you cannot progress past a certain point on the master pay scale (around $35,000 HK a month, I think).

Personally however, I do not think HK is the best place for a newbie any more than I think the Monte Carlo Grand Prix is the best place for someone to take their driving test.
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A'Moo



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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

11:59 wrote:
It has always been the case that those without QTS can enter the PNET scheme, but you are right, pay is 'capped' and you cannot progress past a certain point on the master pay scale (around $35,000 HK a month, I think).

Personally however, I do not think HK is the best place for a newbie any more than I think the Monte Carlo Grand Prix is the best place for someone to take their driving test.

Is HK really the pinnacle of English teaching, the way that Monte Carlo would be considered the apex of the F1 circuit?
I can understand the analogy, but HK has many ESL individuals TEACHING english, as well as studying it....
I would assume the best English teachers would take up residence in locales like Yale, Cambridge etc....
I have noticed, however, that in the Sha Tin area, many rich young HK'ers treat the roads like Monte Carlo, when what they really need is to take driving lessons...
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La Cucaracha



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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

11:59 wrote:
It has always been the case that those without QTS can enter the PNET scheme, but you are right, pay is 'capped' and you cannot progress past a certain point on the master pay scale (around $35,000 HK a month, I think).

Personally however, I do not think HK is the best place for a newbie any more than I think the Monte Carlo Grand Prix is the best place for someone to take their driving test.


Strange, I never even got called for an interview after my confirmation email--and I have a PGDE and 8 years experience.
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puiwaihin



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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The NET scheme is not the pinnacle of EFL teaching. A large number of private schools around Asia would probably take that distinction.

On the other hand, the HK public school system is attempting to recruit qualified and experienced professionals. It's looking for those with training with an eye toward modernizing. And the demands of this job will be greater than at most entry level EFL positions.

So, the government NET scheme is not the best starting place. There are other EFL jobs in HK that can be had, but HK's high cost of living and the lower salaries compared to that program make it less attractive.

It would be easier to get on in Taiwan on Korea and gain some experience.
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Marcoregano



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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

11:59 wrote:

Personally however, I do not think HK is the best place for a newbie any more than I think the Monte Carlo Grand Prix is the best place for someone to take their driving test.


Not sure that 11:59 meant that HK is the creme de la creme. I suspect s/he (suspect it's a 'he') meant it's a tricky circuit - lots of switchbacks, unexpected obstacles, dangerous corners, etc. etc.

Perhaps s/he will enlighten us.

In my opinion, without further input from the OP, it's almost pointless debating whether or not HK is the right place. Anyone discovered the 'simplylife' food outlet yet? Bottom of citybank tower in Central - highly recommended!
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11:59



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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A'Moo wrote:
Is HK really the pinnacle of English teaching, the way that Monte Carlo would be considered the apex of the F1 circuit?

Yes. After all, I'd like to know where else in the world one can start on a minimum of $35,000 HK a month and move on to earning upwards of $60,000 HK a month, just for teaching a bit of English. Many at ESF are on as much as $80,000 HK a month. If you can find somewhere with as much freedom (so KSA is out) and such a large market (so Brunei and Singapore are out) and so much English language and western culture (so Japan is out) where you can earn as much then let me know and that place can be the 'pinnacle of English teaching'. Until then, HK will continue to hold this title.

And thank you, Marcoregano, I am glad that at least one person was able to fathom out the analogy.
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BigGuy



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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 3:32 am    Post subject: PM? Reply with quote

11:59,

I tried to send you a PM but I am not sure it was successfully sent; can you please check your messages and let me know if you got it?

PM me, please.

Thanks.
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Surfdude18



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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

11:59 wrote:
A'Moo wrote:
Is HK really the pinnacle of English teaching, the way that Monte Carlo would be considered the apex of the F1 circuit?

Yes. After all, I'd like to know where else in the world one can start on a minimum of $35,000 HK a month and move on to earning upwards of $60,000 HK a month, just for teaching a bit of English. Many at ESF are on as much as $80,000 HK a month. If you can find somewhere with as much freedom (so KSA is out) and such a large market (so Brunei and Singapore are out) and so much English language and western culture (so Japan is out) where you can earn as much then let me know and that place can be the 'pinnacle of English teaching'. Until then, HK will continue to hold this title.

And thank you, Marcoregano, I am glad that at least one person was able to fathom out the analogy.


Indeed, this is considerably more than most UK teachers get, and the UK is generally more expensive.
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hkteach



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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Package of 60,000HKD a month is for SNETs - they can earn in mid-60000s. PNETs are paid less - they can't go as far up the Master Pay Scale.
Top rate for a PNET, even with 10% retention incentive, is just over HKD 50000 and that includes special (housing) allowance.
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Surfdude18



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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's still not to be sniffed at. My mum, after 25 odd years of teaching in UK Primary schools, finished on 30k. That's about 25,000 RMB a month after tax!
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11:59



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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite. And don't forget that � to all intents and purposes � the income from the NET scheme is tax free, for the gratuity bonus is roughly equal to that of the tax rate in HK (typically around 10% of gross income after various allowances). Remember also that many NETs are married couples and are both at, or close to, the top of the master pay scale and thus have a joint income of some $100,000 HK a month. That is most certainly not to be sniffed at! So their household earns $5,000 a day, everyday, Monday through Friday, including during long and frequent holiday periods. $2,500 for the morning and $2,500 for the afternoon. That is not bad for sitting on a beach in Thailand! The only snag is the compulsory retirement at 60.
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