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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So according to you "I've finished" and "It's finished" are both OK, even though you admit that the first one lacks an object. But just because it is "quite common" it is fine to use it.


No. "Finished" is both a transitive and an intransitive verb, so it does not always require an object, as in "The play finishes at 10.00". Now, perhaps in the US of A 'do' also has an intransitive form, as in "The play is done at 10.00." However, this usage sounds incorrect to me, but more to the point it grates on the ear big time.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shakespeare done did it:

" If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well
It were done quickly . . ."

And I'd say that both "finish" and "done" are ambitransitive. Moreover, the past participle form of both can be used adjectively as the stative passive.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure how you interpret 'done' as being synonymous with 'finished' in the above quotation.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Cleopatra,
How about here?

http://books.google.com/books?id=7Ko0AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA46&lpg=PA46&dq=I+AM+DONE+SHAKESPEARE&source=web&ots=Bqq3zXxz2I&sig=g3Ly2Kwq6pYxVQnlYQrvKbJ_T7Y&hl=en

or this one:

"Things won are done, joy's soul lies in the doing."

or Lady Macbeth:

The sleep- walking Lady Macbeth cries in anguish: "What's done cannot be undone."

or the eponymous John Donne:

"Wilt thou forgive that sin where I begun,
Which was my sin, though it were done before?
Wilt thou forgive that sin, through which I run,
And do run still, though still I do deplore?
When thou hast done, thou hast not done,
For I have more.

Wilt thou forgive that sin which I have won
Others to sin, and made my sin their door?
Wilt thou forgive that sin which I did shun
A year or two, but wallow'd in, a score?
When thou hast done, thou hast not done,
For I have more.

I have a sin of fear, that when I have spun
My last thread, I shall perish on the shore;
But swear by thyself, that at my death thy Son
Shall shine as he shines now, and heretofore;
And, having done that, thou hast done;
I fear no more."

or, as some would have it, God:

"Then He said to me, "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost."

I think the meaning of "accomplished" can be considered as often being synonymous with the meaning of "finished."

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John
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And they say people living in KSA have too much time on their hands...
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Cleopatra,
I'm just a great multi-tasker. While researching that, I was eating breakfast, throwing a stuffed animal for the puppy to fetch, listening to my wife, and planning my class day.
And that was a slow morning.
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John
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