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mattkzbt



Joined: 28 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:57 pm    Post subject: Does this sound like a good deal? Reply with quote

I got an offer for a job in Beijing. Here it is:

With regard to the salary,we offer 8000 RMB per month,

As for the other benefit, we provide free housing for our teachers,upon finishing one year contract,we can reimburse round trip airfare (economy class)for our foreign teachers,apart from this,we provide 2200 RMB for travel allowance for one academic year contract .Besides,we offer 12 RMB for food allowance on each working day.Moreover,we provide commercial medical insurance for our foreign teachers.

As for the responsibilities, foreign teacher is supposed to teach maximum 24 teaching periods (18 hours) of classroom instruction per week plus minimum 2 hours of office hour per week .


Does this sound like a good deal? It's from the China Center for International Educational Exchange. Has anyone ever heard of them?

thanks for your help!
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Teatime of Soul



Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The office hours are worrisome. A minimum of two hours a week? Whats the norm? The maximum? For what purpose?

If you are told lesson planning, what will the response be that you can do it at home?

Too often, this turns out to be a 40 hour work week, with 18 hours teaching and the remaining hours being on display. This may not be the case, but I'd simply insist that the word "minimum: be struck out.

Good luck in your search.
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mattkzbt



Joined: 28 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what about the rest, how does the rest sound? (like the salary)

I know very little about teaching china so I don't want to be screwed!
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senorfay



Joined: 08 Mar 2007
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No matter what you do, you're going to get screwed in some way in China.

8,000 RMB/ month? Sounds like the bottom end of normal for a city like Beijing. In Harbin, that's okay, and in the countryside you'd be a prince, but in Beijing that's pretty much chump change.

If you accept the first year screwage, you can move on to bigger and better things if you meet the right people.

You gotta be on the ground to find the real action. Most outfits hiring directly off the Internet will screw you. After a little time here, youll fall in with the real schools that hire through word of mouth and face to face meetings.
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mattkzbt



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I know that the best stuff, especially in china, is word of mouth.

What appeals to me about thsi job is that is 18 hrs teaching (and for argument 2 hrs office time). For 20 hrs, that seems OK to me, especially if an apartment is included.

then i figured with the remaining time in my week, I could get some part time jobs which will bump my salary.
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killian



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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Location: fairmont city, illinois, USA

PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

why not taiwan? better money. same language. why come to an expensive city and get paid so minutely? see your students going in audi's while you ride the buses.
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arioch36



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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a uni, I would say go for it, it's as good as anything else. Wouldn't worry about the two ofice hours. That's vague yet specific enough that they can't make you do anything raw. More like talk to student,

18 hours high (12 hours is considered the norm for Chinese teachers) , but unfortubately becoming common for laowai.

I would ask for more info on what they promiose for housing. Ask how big, size does matter.
Who pays utilites and internet? Computer fridge washing machine?

The main concern is the school's "name". Never heard them, but "international education" is often an euphenism for students who failed the national exam, can't go to the "regular" uni, and now mommy and daddy pay five times the normal tuition to go to the "international college" if so, be warned, worst of the students, though class sizes would be reasonable
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Lorean



Joined: 21 Dec 2006
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Location: Beijing

PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As for the responsibilities, foreign teacher is supposed to teach maximum 24 teaching periods (18 hours) of classroom instruction per week plus minimum 2 hours of office hour per week .


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18 hours high (12 hours is considered the norm for Chinese teachers) , but unfortubately becoming common for laowai.


18 CLASSES is high. 18 HOURS is ridiculous!

If you take this job, you will feel like it's 45-50 hours a week full time.
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kungfucowboy83



Joined: 25 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

24 45min classes is quite a bit. don't be fooled by the 18 hour crap it'll feel more like 24 teaching hours since you will have 15 mins to walk to your office/ next class get the materials and set up your room. you are going to have a pretty full day and if you are expected to give and grade homework Lorean is right about how it will feel. unless you already have lesson plans or a really great book (not likely) you are going to be spending 30mins-1hr in prep time per class (some of that can be carried over if you are teaching multiple classes of the same level) and if you are marking essays from 20-50 students it'll take you forever.
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