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junglegirl



Joined: 15 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 3:33 pm    Post subject: Newbie to Japan with Many questions Reply with quote

Hi

I have quite a few questions I was hoping someone could help me:

1-Can you Honestly save that much money in Japan. Between Student Loans and Credit Cards I will have to make payments of 700$ Canadian each month. Is that doable working for a school like Nova? Will I have enough left over to live (I do not go out much or eat out a lot anyways)?

2-What do you miss from home? Should I be bringing tons of deoderant? or any other "Western" things? I do not want to over pack.

3-I will most likely be going over with Nova. It seems liek the best place to begin at least. They say to bring with you 120 000 Yen as a startup. Is that enough?

Thank you so much
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Canuck2112



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Junglegirl. Although I've only been in Japan a few months I'll do my best to answer your questions:

1.) How much are your loan and credit card payments? I'm managing to save about 800 CDN a month here, but keep in mind I go out around twice a week and in general I don't skimp on things. Of course this depends on your area (I'm out in the sticks)...living in a large metropolitan city will cost more. I think if someone really tried to save and kept luxuries to a bare minimum, they could probably save 1200 +CDN a month on a typical 250k yen salary. However, this would entail a very spartan existence, but it's do-able.

2.) Deodorant is available, but selection is very limited. I've been told by other teachers that it's somewhat weaker here than it is back home. I don't know, as I brought an absolutely ridiculous amount of Old Spice High Endurance "Pure Sport" (note to all men: this is the best deodorant ever made). Toothpaste is available, most of it is indeed flourinated, but at least in my town the selection is limited. We have aquafresh, but it's sickeningly sweet. You might want to bring your own. If you take multivitamins, bring lots. They're a rarity in Japan, and the ones I've seen are of poor quality. Other than that, everything I used in Canada is available here.

3.) This depends on a few things....start up costs, time until first paycheque, etc, but I'd personally bring more than 120k (if possible). Better safe than sorry.

Good luck!
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junglegirl



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Canuck

Thank you for the speedy reply. I needed a realistic answer (not the NOVA fed answers to please everyone)

Deodorant and toothpaste topped my list. I am a vegeterian (no meat or seafood) so eating out for me may be out of the question from the sounds of it.

My credit card and student loans come to 700$ Canadian per month. The Credit Card will be gone within a year. However I was hoping to make enough to make my payments and save some. I actually may be better off here as I am making my payments, saving money and have some left over to "play".

What part of the country are you in?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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1-Can you Honestly save that much money in Japan. Between Student Loans and Credit Cards I will have to make payments of 700$ Canadian each month. Is that doable working for a school like Nova? Will I have enough left over to live (I do not go out much or eat out a lot anyways)?


Been in Japan over 5 years. You are going to find it hard to save that much money unless, as Canuck wrote, you are pretty stingy or have a stupendous working situation (for example, one where they pay your rent). On average, people have about 70,000 - 90,000 yen left over from a 250,000 yen monthly paycheck. Can't pin a figure down more precisely, because a lot depends on rent, lifestyle, and location. I can give you a breakdown of expenses (in Excel) if you like. Just send an email. [email protected]

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2-What do you miss from home? Should I be bringing tons of deoderant? or any other "Western" things? I do not want to over pack.

Everyone is different. I miss good pizza and an orderly style of arranging music CDs in stores. Pretty simple losses I've easily learned to live without. Depending on your clothing sizes, you might want to overpack on certain items because people are smaller here. I agree with Canuck on the other items (except toothpaste; there are plenty of flavors here that I like).

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3-I will most likely be going over with Nova. It seems like the best place to begin at least. They say to bring with you 120 000 Yen as a startup. Is that enough?


I would have to say no. I know someone who came here with about 90,000 yen and worked for NOVA and got along just fine, but you have to consider a few things.

1. If you don't like the roommate NOVA gives you, what are you going to do? If you move out, you have to put up 2-5 times the rent equivalent just to move into an apartment, or you get a gaijin house (boarding house style life).
2. Emergency medical costs.
3. NOVA offers loans for a reason. They are a loan company with teaching English as a lucrative side business. Do you really want to be tied to them for housing, a job, and money upon landing? They will take out the loan from your first 2-3 paychecks, so that 250,000 yen will be reduced by 40,000 right away.



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I am a vegeterian (no meat or seafood) so eating out for me may be out of the question from the sounds of it.


In a country where seafood and meat are served daily in practically every dish, you are going to find it difficult to eat out. How you cook for yourself will determine how well you can survive. Tofu is king here, but beans are fairly scarce (although you can order from the Foreign Buyer's Club online). There are vegetarian restaurants, but what some claim to be vegetarian dishes may not qualify to you. Even asking a waitress if a dish has meat or fish may get a "no" when it really does, just in small pieces or in the stock broth. There are organizations online you can contact to help you a bit over here.
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BuddhaRhubarb



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

junglegirl wrote:
Hi Canuck

Thank you for the speedy reply. I needed a realistic answer (not the NOVA fed answers to please everyone)

Deodorant and toothpaste topped my list. I am a vegeterian (no meat or seafood) so eating out for me may be out of the question from the sounds of it.

My credit card and student loans come to 700$ Canadian per month. The Credit Card will be gone within a year. However I was hoping to make enough to make my payments and save some. I actually may be better off here as I am making my payments, saving money and have some left over to "play".

What part of the country are you in?



hey jungle girl...living in Tokyo, (the most expensive city in the world) i send home in visa/student loan payments exactly the 700 CAD that you mention....plus i save about 500-600 a month CAD (though i am on 2nd year salary at Aeon, which is money wise very similar to Nova)
and my credit card wont be gone for quite a while yet (ah the frivolity of my youth!) now, i dont go out a lot, but i eat out fairly regularly and i buy what luxuries i need also....

its always a bit tough the first few months til you start thinking in yen...

make sure you have at least 1200 CAD with you when you get here. it helps a lot, to be ahead of getting paid once a month, which takes some
getting used to, or at least it did for me.

the vegetarian thing maybe the most difficult thing as even salads tend to have bacon, and corn oh so much corn, in them...

i would like this without meat please (nikko no nashi de arimasu ka? ...or something like that, im not veggie so i never say it and my japanese is appallingly bad) and it comes to your table with bacon and or fish sauce.

beware --- meat(nikko) in japan generally means beef....fish is sakana, chicken - tori, (i forget pork ((hamu?)) at the moment) you have to often ask about all of them if you dont want them
...there are some veggie restuarants in tokyo, and by all accounts not too bad.
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denise



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

junglegirl wrote:
I am a vegeterian (no meat or seafood) so eating out for me may be out of the question from the sounds of it.



I'm vegan, and I have done OK so far... I think...

Until you learn your way around, it helps to have someone who can translate for you--I was very fortunate to have a couple of friends who early on took me out to stores and restaurants and told me what I could/couldn't eat. I was surprised to learn that there are quite a few tasty things out there. There is always the risk that someone will tell you that something is vegetarian without mentioning, "oh, by the way, it's got fish sauce," but I just accept that risk and try not to beat myself up when it happens.

Your choices at restaurants, and your choice of restaurants, will be limited. My favorite place is an Indian restaurant in Niigata City, not a Japanese restaurant.

Good luck!

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BenJ



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you shouldn't count on it, but don't forget that after you've been here a while you can probably find some extra work to bring in more cash, be it a part-time job or a private student or two. Of course living in a bigger city will make this more likely. Even if you only work an extra few hours a week you can up your salary by 40k yen a month. But, as I said, it's not something you can count on till you have it...
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben, as far as getting privates go, I think you can make as much or more in a small city. There may not be as many potential students, but there is less competition from teachers. I think my wife and I and other teachers around us earn more/hour than someone who lives in a big city.
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easyasabc



Joined: 13 Jul 2003
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: Newbie to Japan with Many questions Reply with quote

junglegirl wrote:
They say to bring with you 120 000 Yen as a startup. Is that enough?
I think it is if you are just going to move straight into their apartment and won't have to fork out anything for rent. Also if you'll be covered by whatever medical insurance comes with the NOVA job you won't need cash for medical emergencies. You'll just need spending money and money to pay for things like food etc for the first month or so until you get paid. I think I brought about that much with me when I came but it was ages ago and I can't remember exactly.


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as far as getting privates go, I think you can make as much or more in a small city.
Hmmmm - when I lived in a small city and worked for a small conversation school teaching privates was almost impossible for fear of the school management finding out. When you are the gaijin in a small town you stick out and it would be easy for people to find out you were teaching privates and tell your boss.

Saving $700 a month - I say possible and you'll still be able to have some fun.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO there is a difference between small city and small town. I live in a city of 300,000 and my boss could care less what I do and couldn't find out if they wanted to. There are some gaijins here, but not it's not likely you'll bump into very many unless you are downtown.

I don't think schools in Japan care if you teach privates unless you're taking students away from them. That said, don't advertise that you're teaching privates. Small town schools may be more anal because any private teaching could be construed as taking away potential students.
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junglegirl



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all

Thanks for the replies and the tips.

Other than English schools, where else can you find work in Japan? Do companies hire? How good does your Japanese need to be?

Thanks and have a great day!

Laughing
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BenJ



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gordon,

you're probably right - I was referring more to the available part-time jobs you can find to fit into your existing schedule.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Other than English schools, where else can you find work in Japan? Do companies hire? How good does your Japanese need to be?


Other possible places to work depend on your qualifications.
kindergartens
elementary schools
junior high schools
high schools
international schools
junior colleges
universities
companies
jukus
JET programme

Look here for a bit of info on salaries. http://www.eltnews.com/guides/teaching/index.shtml
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

junglegirl wrote:
How good does your Japanese need to be?

Thanks and have a great day!

Laughing


Jungle girl,

this is only my private opinion but the majority of language schools here do not expect or demand that English speakers know Japanese for several reasons:

1. The teacher is being hired to speak English. students can get all the Japanese they want outside the classroom without having to talk to the foreign teacher.
2. In most schools use of Japanese is banned, but in some cases such as teaching children or extremely low level students you may be allowed to use japanese.
3. If the teacher knows Japanese the students will not try as hard becuase they know they can ask the teacher in Japanese rather than use English.
4. Your average college graduate, saddled with loans, jet lag probably arrives with a smattering of "konnichiwa" and arigato". He is not being paid for his Japanese ability.
5. Deep down, Japanese people do not believe that westerners can ever becoome fluent or understand Japanese well, no matter how fluent you become in the language. I simply grunted to someone passing me on the train the other day and he replied "Nihongo joozu desu ne" (you speak very good Japanese). Baka (Idiot).

Generally speaking (in my experience anyway) I have never been asked to use Japanese with my students at a conversation school, and only last year did I get a job where a certain level of japanese was required to apply for the position (at a university)
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I might also add that in the past people teaching in Japan have lost jobs or not had contracts renewed (by city governments espousing internationalisation) for knowing too much Japanese or having Japanese ability. In the minds of the powers that be, knowing Japanese made them "Japanised", not 'foreign' enough for their students and somewhat stale because they had learnt the local language and culture after a few years in Japan and were not so fresh anymore.

If you dont know Japanese, don't worry as they probably won't ask you about Japanese ability, and its not required to get a job here unless you are applying for some university positions.

That said, the more you know the better as you will understand your students better and it will make life OUTSIDE the classroom that much easier for you (dealing with landlady, local shopkeepers etc)
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