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mattkzbt



Joined: 28 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 1:48 am    Post subject: TEFL REQUIRED? Reply with quote

I was just told by EF Shanghai that, despite being a certified teacher in America, I couldn't get a Z visa because I don't have a TEFL degree.

Is that true? Will the government refuse me a visa b/c i don't have the degree even though I have though i am certified by this country to teach.

Or were they just trying to get me to sign up and take their tefl course?

-Matt
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kingmalka



Joined: 09 Jun 2007
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Location: San Diego - Hong Kong

PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might have changed because of the Olympics, but when I came here in December there was no TEFL cert. required for EF Suzhou. In fact I'm quite certain that they still don't require it. If EF Shanghai is bugging you about it, just say you're in the process of taking an online course that will finish in a few weeks or something.
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roadwalker



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:03 am    Post subject: why a chain school? Reply with quote

Why are you thinking of EF if you are certified/licensed/whatever in the States? You should be able to find work in an international school at a western or near-western salary with your qualifications.
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mattkzbt



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i actually don't want to work with them but i was worried about the visa thing.

As for international schools, I don't really want that much "responsibility." I'm only looking to stay in China for about 8 months.

Just looking for part time work and international schools usually don't hire sight unseen.
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Moon Over Parma



Joined: 20 May 2007
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattkzbt wrote:
i actually don't want to work with them but i was worried about the visa thing.

As for international schools, I don't really want that much "responsibility." I'm only looking to stay in China for about 8 months.

Just looking for part time work and international schools usually don't hire sight unseen.


You may be able to work out an eight month deal with some international schools in your contract negotiations. If they are desperate for professionals then you can do it, live comfortably and enjoy China at the same time. Perhaps you can sign a half year contract and then have your visa changed to a tourist visa. By that time the olympic silliness will be over and hopefully the visa restrictions will return to pre-olympic status.
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Pelican_Wrath



Joined: 19 May 2008
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never heard of anywhere in China specifically requiring a TEFL Degree before.

Indeed, government regulations only state that the teacher must have a 'first Degree'. That could be in Chemistry, English, Knitting, Religious Studies, Law, or Brewing, it would make no difference, it must just be a Degree.

Stupidly, TEFL certificates are generally regarded as pretty useless in China, which is silly as (IMVHO) they prepare a teacher for teaching far more than a random Degree does (except for actual Education based Degrees, of course)
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Leon Purvis



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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe EF can't secure the z visa.
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therock



Joined: 31 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe the TEFL certificate is required for Shanghai, looks like the requirements keep getting harder. Why don't the authorities just ban all foreigners from working in China until after the Olympics. Wink
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Anda



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 1:03 pm    Post subject: Um Reply with quote

There are plenty of ten month contracts and the crowd below can organize a cheap TEFL course here on arrival. Normally you start teaching on the 1St September.



Jiangsu Education Center for International ExchangeCoordinator, Dept. of Recruitment International Teachers Jiangsu Education Service for International Exchange Jiangsu Department of Education ...
www.chinatefl.com/jiangsu/teach/jecie-4.htm - 8k - Cached - Similar pages

Jiangsu Education Center for International Exchanges (JECIE)Jiangsu Institute of Education. Jiangsu Radio & TV University ... The Affiliated High School to Jiangsu Education Institute. Nanjing No.14 Middle School ...
www.chinatefl.com/jiangsu/teach/jecie-2.htm - 59k - Cached - Similar pages



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Moon Over Parma



Joined: 20 May 2007
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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

therock wrote:
Maybe the TEFL certificate is required for Shanghai, looks like the requirements keep getting harder.


Not required. I just turned down two offers for university work in Shanghai because the pay offered was abysmally low. I do not possess a TEFL certificate, just a bachelor's degree and practical experience and a very good letter of recommendation from my current employer. I think the overinflated sense of importance towards the olympics has given universities some ego inflation. I have yet to encounter a foreigner who came to China to work just because of the olympics, lowball salary offer or not (lowball for Shanghai).
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