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Dragonlady
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MO39
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 5:00 am Post subject: |
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| ...I think there's a world of difference between a white European or gringo wanting a tan and a Mexican (even jokingly) saying that he's "ugly", in part because of his non-Caucasian skin color. It goes far beyond "the grass is greener" syndrome and harks back to the racism of the Spanish conquistadors and contemporary racism that implies that "white skin is always better". Just my two-cent's worth... |
I tend to agree with you MO39. My friend has more of his Mayan ancestors' looks than his Spanish. He too has described himself as ugly - he speaks English and knows perfectly well the meaning of both the English and the Spanish words. He's convinced the success of his siblings - one sister/a lawyer, the other/a wealthy business woman, two brothers/both own their own business in the USA - is because they don't have the dark skin and Mayan features. |
It's a shame that your friend feels this way. Has he been denied opportunities because of his physical appearance? Maybe his parents favored his lighter-skinned siblings. Or maybe he has a bit of a chip on the shoulder about this issue which could have an affect on his interaction with the world in general. Self-fulfilling prophecies are a tough nut to crack. You could remind him that Benito Ju�rez was a full-blooded Zapotec, which didn't prevent him from becoming one of Mexico's most important presidents, but I suppose he knows all about that already. |
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MELEE
Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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Location: The Mexican Hinterland
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Why are there whole pieces of chicken floating in the soup?
Wouldn't it cook faster if you cut it up? Not to mention being a million times easier to eat! especially when a tortilla is your only utensil! |
Given the lack of eating utensils in your neck of the Mexican woods, you could slurp down the liquid part of the soup and then use the tortillas to scoop up the chicken pieces and make impromptu tacos! |
Bones and all? |
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TheLongWayHome
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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Why are there whole pieces of chicken floating in the soup?
Wouldn't it cook faster if you cut it up? Not to mention being a million times easier to eat! especially when a tortilla is your only utensil! |
Given the lack of eating utensils in your neck of the Mexican woods, you could slurp down the liquid part of the soup and then use the tortillas to scoop up the chicken pieces and make impromptu tacos! |
Bones and all? |
La carne pegada al hueso es la mas sabrosa, no? I think I've heard that used as a piropo too. |
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MO39
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| TheLongWayHome wrote: |
| MELEE wrote: |
| MO39 wrote: |
| MELEE wrote: |
Why are there whole pieces of chicken floating in the soup?
Wouldn't it cook faster if you cut it up? Not to mention being a million times easier to eat! especially when a tortilla is your only utensil! |
Given the lack of eating utensils in your neck of the Mexican woods, you could slurp down the liquid part of the soup and then use the tortillas to scoop up the chicken pieces and make impromptu tacos! |
Bones and all? |
La carne pegada al hueso es la mas sabrosa, no? I think I've heard that used as a piropo too. |
My father's family always thought the bones (especially the bone marrow) the tastiest part of the chicken! |
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Phil_K
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| My father's family always thought the bones (especially the bone marrow) the tastiest part of the chicken! |
Nah! That's the skin, which is why my blood boils every time I see the butchers in the supermarket pulling off the skins and throwing them into the waste. |
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MO39
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| My father's family always thought the bones (especially the bone marrow) the tastiest part of the chicken! |
Nah! That's the skin, which is why my blood boils every time I see the butchers in the supermarket pulling off the skins and throwing them into the waste. |
Skin on fried or roasted chicken is quite tasty, but it also has lots of cholesterol, which is why I can't indulge in it anyway. But would you really want to eat chicken skin that has been cooked (aka boiled) in soup? Yuck! |
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wildchild
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| But would you really want to eat chicken skin that has been cooked (aka boiled) in soup? Yuck! |
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Phil_K
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| But would you really want to eat chicken skin that has been cooked (aka boiled) in soup? Yuck! |
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MikeySaid
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| Even better back in cuaresma... chicharron de pescado. |
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Dragonlady
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skc1957
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| Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: The Color Code is global and artificial |
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| MO39 wrote: |
| Dragonlady wrote: |
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| ...I think there's a world of difference between a white European or gringo wanting a tan and a Mexican (even jokingly) saying that he's "ugly", in part because of his non-Caucasian skin color. It goes far beyond "the grass is greener" syndrome and harks back to the racism of the Spanish conquistadors and contemporary racism that implies that "white skin is always better". Just my two-cent's worth... |
I tend to agree with you MO39. My friend has more of his Mayan ancestors' looks than his Spanish. He too has described himself as ugly - he speaks English and knows perfectly well the meaning of both the English and the Spanish words. He's convinced the success of his siblings - one sister/a lawyer, the other/a wealthy business woman, two brothers/both own their own business in the USA - is because they don't have the dark skin and Mayan features. |
It's a shame that your friend feels this way. Has he been denied opportunities because of his physical appearance? Maybe his parents favored his lighter-skinned siblings. Or maybe he has a bit of a chip on the shoulder about this issue which could have an affect on his interaction with the world in general. Self-fulfilling prophecies are a tough nut to crack. You could remind him that Benito Ju�rez was a full-blooded Zapotec, which didn't prevent him from becoming one of Mexico's most important presidents, but I suppose he knows all about that already. |
It's been my experience with students from many different nationalities that lighter skin tones are frequently associated with beauty and class. My students from northern India look down on their darker skinned compatriots from Southern India. My student assistant from Panama is black, but feels ugly next to her two half-sisters from a light-skinned father. Black Ameri-Asian children tend to be ridiculed and mistreated in Vietnam. And my African-American students from Louisiana have an entire vocabulary devoted to skin tone and its associated level of beauty.
There are some theories that suggest that humans prefer lighter skin tones because of some sort of archetypal associations with white=goodness/God and black=wickedness/Satan. But I think it has more to do with the long standing cultural imprint of European Colonialists. In New Spain, the conquistadors and occasional padres fathered children who fit in neither as the sons and daughters of the new rulers nor indigenous offspring. But those who possessed more European skin tones quickly realized they could "pass" and avoid -- at least to a greater degree -- being part of the powerless victims of Empire. And very little has changed in the culture that has since evolved -- in almost any country colonized by Europeans. I think if the occupying forces had had purple skin, today we would see their descents comparing beauty/goodness/access to power based on the darkness of their skin. You know, black would be beautiful.
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TheLongWayHome
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Why is the price of EVERYTHING going up?
They say buses will go up in SLP again - to $6. They were $3.50 when I got here only 3 years ago! The service is still the same of course - they still smell like BO, there's still no upper limit on how many people you can get on one and the drivers are still horrendous. |
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MO39
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| Wow, SLP, after reading your description of riding the bus in SLP, I'll never complain about taking one in the D.F. again, though the fare did recently rise here from 2.5 to 3 pesos. |
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Mrs L
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Why is the price of EVERYTHING going up?. |
This is a worldwide problem at the moment, not just in Mexico- something to do with rising cost of oil perhaps. I assure you if you come home for a holiday you'll be horrified at paying �1.50 for a loaf of bread. Think we're all feeling the pinch  |
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