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Moving from Korea to Taiwan
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JezzaYouBeauty!!



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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in Korea. I've done over two years here, and I have a CELTA.

I've always felt Taiwan would be a similar kind of thing, but a bit nicer - culture, atmosphere, people, scenery etc. I've also known nice Taiwanese, and the 'Lonely Planet Cities Book' says Taipei might be Asia's friendliest major city. etc.

As for Korea, some people here get horrible situations with bad directors, schools, apartments, location etc. Some do better. Some get the good college jobs..

Its all a bit different. I've always worked a for a decent school. These days though, the director isn't exactly a champion. Apartments have been good. But some teachers at my school don't have such good ones. Generally, I've always saved $2000 Australian a month. I'm not a spender. I'm just a simple, non-consumerist kind of person.

Work hours are easy, but these days getting worse, and working Saturdays is a bummer. I've always worked in relatively big, but rough-at-the-edges, gruff, conservative Daegu.

And now....my yearly after-tax salary at early 2007 exchange rates was a little more than $43,000 Australian, including end-of-contract bonus. The other benefits are free accomodation and airfares, of course.

But at exchange rates now, my yearly after-tax salary is just under $31,000 Australian. That's quite a hit.

So I'm starting to think about heading to a more soul-satisfying place. Maybe Taiwan, I dunno. But if the people, weather, scenery is a bit better...that's nice. If I could save some money, the work not too stressful, and the apartment decent enough. Then it could be an option.

To me, the Koreans just aren't the happiest, friendliest, most laid-back, most interesting, most open-minded kind of people. The cities just aren't the most beautiful or cosmopolitan kinds of cities. The people, food, culture just isn't the most attractive you could experience in this world. Call me snobby....but ahh, that's just it, IMO. And I'm fairly sure, the majority of people wouldn't debate me on what I just wrote.

I met a teacher the other day who went to Taiwan from Korea. She said although less money, and despite a few other little things, its overall better than Korea.

The famous Portuguese word..."Saudade" (Wiki it). I've had that feeling for most places I've been to in life. I have never had that feeling for Korea though, when I have left korea.

Good luck for the thread opener, if you make the move to Taiwan.

Some teachers in Korea get stuck in this horrible sort of comfort zone over here, and don't leave.

Those in taiwan have a right to shoot me down about this, cos I haven't been there. But I feel Taiwan might have a bit more soul about it, and might be a nice change for any teacher in Korea, to go to. Even just for a year.

Maybe go for it, David Seoul.

-Jezza
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JZer



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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The cities just aren't the most beautiful or cosmopolitan kinds of cities.


Well, I would have to say that Korean cities may actually be better than Taipei. The problem in Taiwan is that when Chang Kai-Shek arrived the KMT just threw together some cheap housing. At least most Korean major cities have many new and modern apartments. The same cannot be said for Taipei. If some people I know live in apartments that from the outside don't look to nice.

I think that Taiwanese people are friendlier and it is better for dating here. Not only are Taiwanese women more open but you can find many other types of foreigners here. You cannot do that in Seoul for at least two reasons. One is that few students go to Korea to study Korean. In Taipei there are flocks of foreigners here studying Mandarin. People of all ages. Second due to Koreans protectionism there are not many foreign companies even in Seoul.
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killian



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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

done both. i would do taiwan again. not korea.
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pest2



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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

killian wrote:
done both. i would do taiwan again. not korea.


Agreed there, but let's face it: the work situation in Taiwan SUCKS. The law is against you through and through, and demand for English lessons is lower... so demand in the job market -- vacant positions and pay for those positions -- is also alot lower.

Best advice I could give after all this would be to go to Korea, work a miserable and lonely year or two and save around 20K$US, then go to Taiwan and be prepared to lose a bit of that savings and/or almost certainly save nothing while u are there... but have a great time in the meanwhile!

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JZer



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Best advice I could give after all this would be to go to Korea, work a miserable and lonely year or two and save around 20K$US, then go to Taiwan and be prepared to lose a bit of that savings and/or almost certainly save nothing while u are there... but have a great time in the meanwhile!


Then why bother with Taiwan. Go somewhere even better like Brazil, Chile, Peru, etc.
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PeterDragon



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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JZer wrote:


Then why bother with Taiwan. Go somewhere even better like Brazil, Chile, Peru, etc.


.... That's exactly what I plan to when I've saved up enough money---- work a crap-pay job in a heavenly country without worrying about savings so much.

However, I too, am thinking about making the move from Korea to Taiwan, but only if I can get a public school position. As far as I can tell the public school positions in Taiwan have almost as much savings potential as a Korean public school position, maybe the same amount of savings if Taiwan is indeed cheaper to live in.

But what' this about 20% income tax for the first six months? DO you get a refund on that? In Korea, most Western expats get a full reimbursement of paycheck withholdings when you leave the country. If their employer is filing the taxes honestly, that is.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But what' this about 20% income tax for the first six months? DO you get a refund on that? In Korea, most Western expats get a full reimbursement of paycheck withholdings when you leave the country. If their employer is filing the taxes honestly, that is.


I believe that if you are in the MOE program you don't need to pay taxes. I believe teachers who work in public schools in Taiwan don't pay taxes. Well unless you are working at one illegally through an agent.
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Miyazaki



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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JezzaYouBeauty!! wrote:
To me, the Koreans just aren't the happiest, friendliest, most laid-back, most interesting, most open-minded kind of people. The cities just aren't the most beautiful or cosmopolitan kinds of cities. The people, food, culture just isn't the most attractive you could experience in this world. Call me snobby....but ahh, that's just it, IMO. And I'm fairly sure, the majority of people wouldn't debate me on what I just wrote.


You need to be aware that many TEFL'ers are leaving Taiwan for Korea for similar reasons.

The movement you describe isn't just one-way. There are many teachers in Taiwan who are fed up with low wages, dishonest school owners and managers, and the chaotic, dirty, polluted environment in Taiwan.

If oyu were making $30,000 - $45,000 in Korea, you won't make anything near that in Taiwan. Not even close.

it sounds dumb, but! th egrass is always greener - so be careful what you wish for.
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pest2



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miyazaki wrote:
JezzaYouBeauty!! wrote:
To me, the Koreans just aren't the happiest, friendliest, most laid-back, most interesting, most open-minded kind of people. The cities just aren't the most beautiful or cosmopolitan kinds of cities. The people, food, culture just isn't the most attractive you could experience in this world. Call me snobby....but ahh, that's just it, IMO. And I'm fairly sure, the majority of people wouldn't debate me on what I just wrote.


You need to be aware that many TEFL'ers are leaving Taiwan for Korea for similar reasons.

The movement you describe isn't just one-way. There are many teachers in Taiwan who are fed up with low wages, dishonest school owners and managers, and the chaotic, dirty, polluted environment in Taiwan.

If oyu were making $30,000 - $45,000 in Korea, you won't make anything near that in Taiwan. Not even close.

it sounds dumb, but! th egrass is always greener - so be careful what you wish for.


Yes.. i was just in Korea. The money is MUCH better there.

Well, actually, Taiwan is better for everything but jobs and money though... I've had soo much more fun here in Taiwan than I ever had in Korea, and i dont feel like im in zoo with people looking in at me all the time like im a strange kind of monkey the way i did in xenophobic Korea.... a But.. you have to eat, so.....

Work in Korea, save some cash for a couple of years, then head to Taiwan..
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Aristotle



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The great irony of living on Taiwan is that Taipei is not only the biggest city on Taiwan but it is also the best place, in my opinion, to live. The people are much friendlier and far better educated than the other major industrialized areas on occupied Taiwan/Formosa. Public transpotation not only exist but it is cheap and reliable. The only down side is the cost of living and the weather. Both wich get better the farther from Taipei you get.
In many ways Taipei and the rest of Taiwan/Formosa are two different countries.
Good Luck!
A.
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