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laughing_magpie06
Joined: 14 Sep 2006
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I visited Hermina Sunter RS while my wife was pregnant and one doctor charged us more than all my wife's friends. Also he charged more when I was with her than when she went alone. When I asked him to explain his excuse was he didn't pass on the admin cost to all his patients therefore they got a cheaper rate. So he said we paid the correct price.
We promptly changed doctors but stayed at the same hospital because overall it is still one of the best in Indonesia. |
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hairyrambutan
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
Posts: 61
Location: Beer section of Carrefour
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| I also take my son to this hospital, it is a lot nicer than Dr Cipto. I actually have never compared the prices I've paid there with other people I know. What was the mark-up? This kind of thing seems to happen to you with far greater frequency than it does to people I know outside cyberspace. |
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eddie honda
Joined: 18 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:49 am Post subject: |
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RE: teaching salaries
whether you want to believe it or not, an EF salary IS the equivalent of a mid-managers salary, a TBI kuningan salary (back on thread  ) is a senior managers salary and 20mil+ is very rare outside commission based employment (traders, sales, etc). Rich people usually own their own business, they are not salaried.
People buy cars on credit, don't spend much on drink and going out, eat cheaply (compared to bule) and save what they can, etc
if they want, teachers can eat out all the time, go to the most exclusive clubs in town, take taxis everywhere, have an apartment with a swimming pool etc. Could you do that in the US? UK?
lots of my (highly qualified) indonesian friends get annoyed that any monkey from the west can get an EF job on double their salary.
While ef salaries are low compared to other teaching salaries (thus making anyone who works there for more than one year somewhat foolish) most middle class indonesians would LOVE to earn that much.
so like it or not you are well-off. fact. |
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reddrake
Joined: 04 Apr 2008
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Location: Riyadh
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:48 am Post subject: |
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Eddie Honda has it, damn straight. So many people b*tch and moan about salaries here in Indonesia. Another fact is that you could never have a permanent residence here anyway. So if you were able to scrape by enough to retire on you couldn't make a KITAS unless you were married and your wife made you one. However if you're married to an Indonesian and you and her go to immigration every year to make a KITAS you're looking at quite a pricey KITAS. Even if you use an agent the immigration officials can read - see that it's an Indonesian women making a KITAS for her 'foreign husband.' Teach, travel and explore and you'll be fine. If you really want to live out the rest of your days in Asia get a job with a real salary. 20 million is good for teaching but could you really save for retirement on that? Come on! Get a job in telecom or oli/gas you bunch of whingers! Oh ya, you can't because even if you have teaching qualifications you're not qualified for that kind of work, are you? |
I agree with you and honda. Since an Indonesian wife can not sponsor her foreign husband, so I have spent more than 30 juta for my KITAS (which i need to renew every year)bcause i don't work with EF or other big school, which also means I have to spend more money for my accomodation. So for those who have their KITAS taken care of, and live in a nice fully furnished apartment, please don't complain. Try getting your own KITAS and get work outside EF, then you will know how it feels to live in Indonesia. |
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Andror
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Atomic Wedgie wrote: |
20 million is good for teaching but could you really save for retirement on that? |
Surely the point of saving for retirement is to maintain the standard of living that one has enjoyed during one's working life. Perhaps you're assuming that foreign teachers work and save their whole lives in Asia and then return to their country of origin upon retirement?
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| Come on! Get a job in telecom or oli/gas you bunch of whingers! Oh ya, you can't because even if you have teaching qualifications you're not qualified for that kind of work, are you? |
Damn whinging teachers! They remind me of those whinging police over on the police forums:
http://www.policeoracle.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5661&PD=0
I mean, why don't they just get jobs working as lawyers? Oh ya, I guess they're not qualified for that kind of work. I wonder if they like their jobs?
Let's not forget those whinging nurses either. Why don't they just get jobs working as doctors? Oh ya, I guess they're not qualified for that kind of work. I wonder if they like their jobs?
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| So for those who have their KITAS taken care of, and live in a nice fully furnished apartment, please don't complain. Try getting your own KITAS and get work outside EF, then you will know how it feels to live in Indonesia. |
I think you mean that we'd know how it feels to be you living in Indonesia. |
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reddrake
Joined: 04 Apr 2008
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Location: Riyadh
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:54 am Post subject: |
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| Andror wrote: |
Damn whinging teachers! They remind me of those whinging police over on the police forums:
http://www.policeoracle.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5661&PD=0
I mean, why don't they just get jobs working as lawyers? Oh ya, I guess they're not qualified for that kind of work. I wonder if they like their jobs?
Let's not forget those whinging nurses either. Why don't they just get jobs working as doctors? Oh ya, I guess they're not qualified for that kind of work. I wonder if they like their jobs?
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I don think that's a fair comparison. Comparing a Police or a nurse to a "lazy and unqualified" english teacher. |
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TEAM_PAPUA
Joined: 24 May 2004
Posts: 1679
Location: HOLE
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:46 am Post subject: * |
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| I have been called 'paki' and I have been called 'bule'. |
That must be confusing for you.
For the complainers: if you do not like it, do something about it. If you cannot do something about it, stop complaining - You have found your station in life. Congratulations. Impressive. |
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wannaBguru
Joined: 07 Dec 2005
Posts: 110
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:26 am Post subject: |
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i am not complaining, i am LMAO. didnt know BFC on jl jaksa was an exclusive club.
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| whether you want to believe it or not, an EF salary IS the equivalent of a mid-managers salary, a TBI kuningan salary (back on thread ) is a senior managers salary and 20mil+ is very rare outside commission based employment (traders, sales, etc). Rich people usually own their own business, they are not salaried. |
maybe true, but they have other benefits. also, mid-manager doesnt equal middle/upper middle class. TBI is one of the best paying language schools and pays more than many nationalplus schools. What % of teachers do u think make less than TBI? % making 20+?
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| People buy cars on credit, don't spend much on drink and going out, eat cheaply (compared to bule) and save what they can, etc |
how many ef teachers can even save up the 20% downpayment, much less make the monthly payments? none
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if they want, teachers can eat out all the time, go to the most exclusive clubs in town, take taxis everywhere, have an apartment with a swimming pool etc. Could you do that in the US? UK?
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tbi teachers can afford the cheaper apts in kelapa gading and maybe share a nicer one like taman rasuna. ef teachers cant afford the rent, utilities, and management fees.
even the loser flipping burgers at mcdonalds can afford the ef lifestyle. and yes, i can live very well in the US because i have education and experience. i just happen to like living here.
life in indo is great. i love living here and i do make 20+. just dont tell me that the ef teacher is living a comfortable lifestyle blah blah blah. most live on a budget and are broke at the end of the month. they dont own anything but the clothes on their backs. and if they get fired, they have to borrow airfare home. teaching is great and a good lifestyle if u are on a TBI salary or more, just dont include EF in the picture.
ps. when i tell my indo friends how much ef teachers make, most laugh and say "bule miskin ya". then again, i guess if the only place u can get a job is ef, then u would have a pretty miserable existence in your home country. retirement visas are available if u meet certain age and income requriements. |
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