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Adam J
Joined: 04 Jan 2004 Posts: 11
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 5:26 am Post subject: My "Japan plan" - comments welcome! |
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Hello all,
I've been lurking here for almost a year - a quick thanks to all the regulars who make this site such a valuable resource. I'd really appreciate some feedback about my plans for the big move. Especially help narrowing down where to live (and if its realistic to find a job with JET near where I want to live). I don't want to bombard you all with to much information, but here is some relevant information:
I plan on moving to Japan summer 2005
My girlfriend of two years is Japanese. She earned a tourism degree studying in the U.S., and she wants to get a job at either Kansai International Airport south of Osaka, or Narita Airport near Chiba. She is open to other jobs, but this is her "dream".
I am 28 and have a Bachelor's Degree in English and a California Teaching Credential in English. This is my second year teaching at a public high school. I like teaching, and have a secure job in an unstable economy, but think its the right time of my life for a big change. Everyone I know is making babies and buying houses, and I know that is not for me.
Most likely I will enter Japan as a JET (or one of the other big schools, but JET seems the best to me). Ideally I would move to Japan employed by International School Services, but it seems improbable that the few schools they partner with would be located near one of Japan's two major airports. During my first year I'd like to teach and try my hand at private lessons. I think my girlfriend would be a real asset in helping set up appointments, as I speak no Japanese. During the second year I'd like to move to a smaller school and expand the private lessons. Currently I work 50 hours per week and spend another 10 hours each week commuting. I think JET would be simple (maybe too) compared to my current job, where I am a teacher, parent, psychologist, social worker, and baby sitter.
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In the proximity of Osaka and Chiba, where are good places to live? (Tokyo sounds nasty to me.)
Does JET let me choose a preference for where I work (I used to know the answer to this but lost the link)
Fukuoka sounds like where many of the old-timers here would prefer to live. Why? I just found out Fukuoka has an international airport, which would go over well with my girlfriend.
Thanks!
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Adam J
Joined: 04 Jan 2004 Posts: 11
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 5:37 am Post subject: |
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Follow-up question:
I've read that many schools hire in April. When does the school year begin for the schools that hire in April? Any tips for how to transition from the American August to June school schedule to the Japanese schedule, and still make some money? |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 7:07 am Post subject: |
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Adam,
From what I've heard you get very little say in where you can live if you're a JET and I don't think they tell you until just before you leave. Celeste or other JETs could also give you more info. Nagoya and Fukuoka are also int'l airports too.
I doubt that you will be able to choose what kind of school you'll be placed in terms of size. You will take what they give you. If I was you, I would get your girlfriend to start teaching you some Japanese. It will be a big help for you and start to learn Hiragana and Katakana.
From the sounds of your schedule, I think the JET program will seem much easier to you and give you more free time.
The school year begins in April, but they hire about this time of year or Feb. |
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Celeste
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 814 Location: Fukuoka City, Japan
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 8:09 am Post subject: |
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Fukuoka also has an international school. You might PM Ava. She is working for them.
As for JET, you canspecify your top 3 places that you want to live, and you will have a fairly good chance of being pllaced in one of them, because with your credentials, you will probably be quite a desirable candidate.
JET tells you your placement sometime in May or June in most cases and you leave in August. If you do apply to JET, you will fill out the application in October,(if successful) have an interview in March, and (if successful)learn where you are placed in May or June. Then you will leave in August. It is a long process, but it is a good job. |
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Sherri
Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 749 Location: The Big Island, Hawaii
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 8:36 am Post subject: |
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You should look more closely into working for an international school--check the listing below.
http://www.tokyowithkids.com/fyi/international_schools.html
There are lots of schools in the Osaka/ Kobe area which would be reasonably close to Kansai airport. Most of the international schools in Tokyo are in the west side of Tokyo, the exact opposite location to Narita, so that might not work out for you as well.
The reason I say this is that the conditions of employment are usually much more attractive than the usual conversation school job and unlike JET, you would be able to control where you would live.
Have a look at the listing and write to some of the schools introducing yourself, it is not a job listing, it is intended for parents looking for schools, but it would still give you the right contacts.
Good luck |
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april
Joined: 07 May 2003 Posts: 83 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Something I'm curious about...why do so many Japanese girls want to work in international airports? When I worked at Nova I had heaps of college girls tell me that they were learning English so that they could work as a Grand Hostess (I think that was the term) at Narita airport. I'm not being a smart-arse, I just don't get it. Was there a popular movie in Japan a few years ago that depicted this type of job as glamorous? Is there a celebrity who used to have this job? What's the attraction? |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 9:17 am Post subject: |
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April,
The same thing applies for flight attendants. My wife was one for 5 years, and it sure wasn't a glamorous job even though she flew all over the world. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 9:41 am Post subject: |
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april wrote: |
Something I'm curious about...why do so many Japanese girls want to work in international airports? When I worked at Nova I had heaps of college girls tell me that they were learning English so that they could work as a Grand Hostess (I think that was the term) at Narita airport. I'm not being a smart-arse, I just don't get it. Was there a popular movie in Japan a few years ago that depicted this type of job as glamorous? Is there a celebrity who used to have this job? What's the attraction? |
April
Maybe it was the TV series last year with the local hunk and heartthrob Kimura Takuya as an airline pilot and a JAL/ANA jumbo was the backdrop.
One of my Japanese friends does the Narita-London route a couple of times a week. Not much fun having to deal with all that jetlag and dealing with drunk male passengers if you ask me. |
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shmooj

Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Posts: 1758 Location: Seoul, ROK
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Gordon wrote: |
Nagoya and Fukuoka are also int'l airports too.
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Not for long. From Expo 2005 Nagoya's airport will be an island off Tokoname just south of the city. It will be huge and is intended to rival Kansai as the second airport in Japan. Nagoya's current intl airport will cease to take international flights once it opens so I've heard.
Check out the Chubu International Airport homepage for more info.
http://www.pref.aichi.jp/kouku/index-e.html
of course, for the OP's girlfriend, they will be hiring plenty of people for that new development. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Schmooj,
Im sure that new airport will keep Chubu government bureaucrats and construction companies in pork for a long, long, time. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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I plan on moving to Japan summer 2005 |
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Most likely I will enter Japan as a JET |
This means you have to apply for JET by December this year. There is no guarantee that you will be accepted, of course. (Not to sound totally negative, but there ARE thousands of applicants, you know. First step is simply to pass the paperwork regime, then the panel interview in February/March.)
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Ideally I would move to Japan employed by International School Services |
Huh? What happened to that JET likelihood? I'm confused.
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During my first year I'd like to teach and try my hand at private lessons. I think my girlfriend would be a real asset in helping set up appointments, as I speak no Japanese. |
During that first year, you're going to be experiencing Japan and getting to know your girlfriend in a totally different setting than California. Plus, if you are a JET, you will work till 4pm or so. That means your private lessons will take up your entire evening. Not much time to see the girlfriend, but I take it she won't have a job flying around the globe. That means seeing less of her. Getting private lessons is not a stable operation, and I highly recommend having a sound business plan before you do anything like that.
She will be an asset in some cases, yes. However, don't go to the well too often to ask for her help in answering your calls. And, I agree with Gordon in a sense. Start learning Japanese NOW because you are likely not going to be living anywhere near each other.
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During the second year I'd like to move to a smaller school and expand the private lessons. Currently I work 50 hours per week and spend another 10 hours each week commuting. I think JET would be simple (maybe too) compared to my current job, where I am a teacher, parent, psychologist, social worker, and baby sitter |
Just what else did you think you'd be doing to retain your visa in that second year? If you work a regular teaching job plus privates, you'll have more than 50 hours a week with more commuting than 10 hours. And, you will have to be all of those occupations anyway, plus receptionist, accountant, tax advisor, etc. (for yourself).
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Any tips for how to transition from the American August to June school schedule to the Japanese schedule, and still make some money? |
I really don't understand this question. If you get hired as a JET ALT, you will come in August, yes, which is the middle of the public high school year. What sort of transition problems did you expect? |
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easyasabc
Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 179 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
Just what else did you think you'd be doing to retain your visa in that second year? If you work a regular teaching job plus privates, you'll have more than 50 hours a week with more commuting than 10 hours. And, you will have to be all of those occupations anyway, plus receptionist, accountant, tax advisor, etc. (for yourself). |
Oh please! That is not necessarily always the case!
Here's a little less negative scenario. When I worked for a small school I did not have to work 50 hours a week or travel 10 hours. I worked 20-25 contact hours a week at the school which was a 10 minute commute from my apartment. Even add 10 hours a week of privates to that (which would be an awful lot of privates) and you're still not doing 50 hours.
Adam - It's not all easy but it's certainly not all as hard as some people say. I hope you find a cool situation here - they do exist!  |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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Oh please! That is not necessarily always the case!
Here's a little less negative scenario. When I worked for a small school I did not have to work 50 hours a week or travel 10 hours. I worked 20-25 contact hours a week at the school which was a 10 minute commute from my apartment. Even add 10 hours a week of privates to that (which would be an awful lot of privates) and you're still not doing 50 hours. |
You are right. However, I figure on the fact that he will live in a large city with an international airport, so commuting is on average 60 minutes round trip (hence, 10 hours just for your regular job). Add to that maybe 5 privates a week and you have considerably more commuting time unless you are willing / able to take privates in your own apartment. Yes, the standard teaching hours are 25-30 contact hours, but for a newbie, you have to add to that some preparation time, even for JET ALTs. I was a newbie once, too, and I figure on 30-40 minutes per lesson. With 2-4 lessons per day on average (8 for NOVA), you have 1-2 hours more per day, or 5-10 per week, for a total of 35-40 hours at the school per week just for your regular job. Of course, there are other things that take up your time, and they may vary from job to job. So, add to that the private lessons (5 lessons per week, an hour each, plus commuting time) and you have pretty close to those 50 hours. The OP seemed to be industrious with a desire for lots of privates, so I figured over 50 hours would easily be achieved.
Not always doom and gloom here, folks. These are the numbers I used. |
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fat_chris
Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 3198 Location: Beijing
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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Adam,
I agree with Glenski and Gordon to start learning Japanese now. I would even suggest enrolling in a course at a local college. That way you'll have two or three semesters completed and hopefully an intermediate level in Japanese by the time you leave in 2005. The formal class will force you to keep on top of your learning and keep your goal in sight. Your girlfriend can help you practice what you have learned.
I have a similar aspiration as you, although I would like to leave for Japan in the summer of 2006, also preferably with JET. I plan to begin Japanese classes in August.
Best wishes to ya!
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fat_chris
Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 3198 Location: Beijing
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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Or you can just chuck it all and buy that house and start making babies!
I'm with you. That isn't for me either, hence the idea, let's go to Japan! |
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