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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 3:50 am Post subject: Weekend congresses/conferences yay or nay? |
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Just wondering what other teachers' takes are on these. We've got one coming up this Saturday (and it's free). I'm excited about going, meeting other teachers, sitting in on workshops, discount material, a nifty certificate and raffle, but maybe I've become conditioned. The other native teachers are dragging their feet and can't believe that they have to come to school on a Saturday.
At one place where I worked for two years, we had training every other Saturday. No extra pay, no certs, just the fact that we learnt stuff was enough for us.
With all that being said, two years ago I went to about one congress or conference or workshop a month, since then I've been working two or three jobs and now have to take care of our little puppy so priorities have changed. But still, I don't mind going to a conference now and then, especially when my school picks up the tab. |
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jpvanderwerf2001
Joined: 02 Oct 2003 Posts: 1117 Location: New York
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:51 am Post subject: |
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Love 'em! That is if they're out-of-town, during the work week, and all-expenses paid by my employer!
No, seriously, I usually find them to be useful and interesting. |
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Marcoregano

Joined: 19 May 2003 Posts: 872 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:58 am Post subject: |
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I have a friend who's a long-time university lecturer, very senior and at a top uni. He tells me that conferences are generally regarded by academics as:
1. a short holiday/change of scene
2. great for clandestine sexual liasons with colleagues - especially those you probably won't ever see again (from other universities/countries etc)
3. good for meeting people
... and not necessarily in that order.
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Kootvela

Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 513 Location: Lithuania
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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I try not to miss a single one. Here they also hand out one or more coursebook copies for free, so I have built a library Though it is more about product promotion that actual hands-on work (there are some interesting ideas, though!) but they do sign a certificate of attendance. Most seminars are free with a symbolic fee for the certificate. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Here we get certs. I went to tons a couple of years ago, now I just pick and choose the best ones. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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The other native teachers are dragging their feet and can't believe that they have to come to school on a Saturday. |
Nobody likes being forced to do something on a weekend. Are these native teachers in that situation?
Personally, I like the conferences (although the ones I attend are all voluntary), and weekends are about the only time I have to attend. Gets me out to meet people and learn what is happening outside of my classroom and lesson plans. |
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naturegirl321

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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, they were native teachers. MMaybe it's because they have never been required to do it before. |
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Kootvela

Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 513 Location: Lithuania
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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Where I do, I never meet my former colleagues who are native speakers. Never did I meet them when we were colleagues. They just don't care. |
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Stephen Jones
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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Where I do, I never meet my former colleagues who are native speakers. Never did I meet them when we were colleagues. They just don't care. |
Perhaps they reckon that they are a waste of time.
Listening to somebody prattling on about the virtues of the MD of his publishing company, spouting the latest Web 2.0 buzzwords, or giving a long dissertation on use of the fricative case, isn't everybody's idea of a well-spent weekend. |
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Kootvela

Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 513 Location: Lithuania
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Stephen Jones wrote: |
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Where I do, I never meet my former colleagues who are native speakers. Never did I meet them when we were colleagues. They just don't care. |
Perhaps they reckon that they are a waste of time.
Listening to somebody prattling on about the virtues of the MD of his publishing company, spouting the latest Web 2.0 buzzwords, or giving a long dissertation on use of the fricative case, isn't everybody's idea of a well-spent weekend. |
It's a good point and it is a shame that many worjsops are indeed such as you described. However, there do happen some good ones, and since native teachers are usually celta or etc qualified, some extra methodology input wouldn't harm them. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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So, they don't like the idea of weekend conferences. Are these people even interested in learning more about the job/career, or are they just interested in making a buck? If it's the former, just when did they expect to improve their careers and meet other teachers? |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:40 am Post subject: |
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So, they don't like the idea of weekend conferences. Are these people even interested in learning more about the job/career, or are they just interested in making a buck? If it's the former, just when did they expect to improve their careers and meet other teachers? |
Um, maybe it's lack of support from the school. |
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Marcoregano

Joined: 19 May 2003 Posts: 872 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:49 am Post subject: |
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So, they don't like the idea of weekend conferences. Are these people even interested in learning more about the job/career, or are they just interested in making a buck? If it's the former, just when did they expect to improve their careers and meet other teachers? |
Some confusion here. Conferences are primarily social events. Any academic function comes way down the pecking order. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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[quote=Marcoregano]Some confusion here. Conferences are primarily social events. Any academic function comes way down the pecking order.[/quote]Maybe that's the way you see them, but I think otherwise.
Conferences I've been to have academic presentations plus social events. You go for the chance to learn more about teaching as well as to network. One's own priorities may vary, but the fact is, conferences are not just social events.
Even if they were, that begs the question about naturegirl's associates. If they don't like socializing on the weekends, what do they like to do? Can you see my tongue-in-cheek point here?
Who knows? Maybe the conferences in naturegirl's territory are not very enlightening academically and/or have a bunch of butt-kissing social misfits there. Inquiring minds want to know!  |
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Stephen Jones
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: |
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just when did they expect to improve their careers and meet other teachers? |
You meet other teachers in the pub.
Perhaps they don't think that TEFL in Lithuania is a career, and perhaps they've realized that 'advancement' has little to do with attending conferences. |
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