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arioch36
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found that the best way to get students to work in groups in Czech was to set tham an exam and leave the room.
Had I simply asked them to work together they would not have cooperated as readily |
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Haven't really followed this thread, but thought I would share, several years ago I gave a fairly comprehensive mid term exam to my Chinese students. Told them exactly what was on it, so they could study to their hearts content. If I remember, maybe I was teaching reading english to four different classes of 60 students (Oral english classes were divided into two classes of 30) because it was "just a midterm", and Chinese grade 80% on the final, I couldn't test them all together. Two classes on Tuesday, and two on Thursday. One of the thursday classes got most of the questions from one of the other classes, and on Wednesday night, the class leader had them all study for the test. They were surprised when I was happy , thrilled that they had "group-cheated". They did what i wanted. Everyone did very good on the test, they knew the material better, and the rest of the semester was easy for them.
But if I had actually given them the questions, they would have never studied together, nor would as many of them studied.
Now on the final tests for oral English in China, I have them do a group debate (four or five per group). I tell them if one person fails, they all must go again. The hard workers work just as hard, but the ones who are lazy, and would normally stumble through, boring everyone, and taking twice as long as they should, these traditional underperformers do much much better |
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And Your Bird Can Sing
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:56 am Post subject: |
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And what do the studies say exactly about Chinese learners in classrooms taught by foreigners? |
Well, to find out exactly what they say I think you'd have to read the books for yourself. |
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Marcoregano
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| Please enlighten us, Mr Cowell. |
Anthropology is the general study of human culture -- which is what "wulfrun" was talking about when he wrote about comparing different cultures.
Cultural Studies is a very specialized (and recent) field that combines anthropology, economics, political science, literary criticism, critical theory, film studies, and other fields. It is most frequently a study of popular culture in modern societies. |
Tks, but I wasn't looking for definitions - I was hoping for some insight into your take on the OP. |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Marcoregano wrote: |
| Tks, but I wasn't looking for definitions - I was hoping for some insight into your take on the OP. |
Then you might have quoted something else -- or phrased your response differently -- to let me know what you were hoping to hear.  |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| And Your Bird Can Sing wrote: |
| Henry_Cowell wrote: |
And what do the studies say exactly about Chinese learners in classrooms taught by foreigners? |
Well, to find out exactly what they say I think you'd have to read the books for yourself. |
Why cite them then? I figured you knew what they said. |
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Marcoregano
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| Henry_Cowell wrote: |
| wulfrun wrote: |
| studies support the existence of general differences in cultural behaviour - that's all i was saying. found in any journal or book on cultural studies. |
Well, duh. That's what "culture" is all about. Is that the only thing you can come up with?
But please cite any of these "hard studies" that back up your specific points about Chinese students in the classroom.
And I believe that "cultural studies" is not the field you want. Maybe anthropology? Sociology? They aren't the same as the contemporary field of "cultural studies." |
There wasn't much else to quote - pls see above. The tenor of your earlier response, albeit slightly infantile, suggests that you argue against the OP, but you haven't presented any substance to support your stance.
You also requested citations and were actually given a couple by AYBCS. It would appear you have plenty of reading to be getting on with, especially - though certainly not absolutely - in the fields of anthropology and cultural studies. Alternatively, pls enlighten away... |
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And Your Bird Can Sing
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| Henry_Cowell wrote: |
| And Your Bird Can Sing wrote: |
| Henry_Cowell wrote: |
And what do the studies say exactly about Chinese learners in classrooms taught by foreigners? |
Well, to find out exactly what they say I think you'd have to read the books for yourself. |
Why cite them then? I figured you knew what they said. |
I cited them because you said:
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| But please cite any of these "hard studies" that back up your specific points about Chinese students in the classroom. |
You asked for some references and I gave some. You did not ask for summaries of whole texts. |
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Henry_Cowell
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You cited only titles/authors but not specific findings to show how those sources "back up [wulfrun's] specific points." Perhaps you didn't read the entire sentence?
Finding titles is easy on the Internet. |
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wulfrun
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| waste of time, pals |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| Very wisely, wulfrun wrote: |
| waste of time, pals |
Yep. The clock is at one minute before midnight and this thread will now turn into a pumpkin. |
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wulfrun
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:24 am Post subject: |
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anyway...
i just plain liked the swedes. |
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Marcoregano
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:39 am Post subject: |
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I know that I shall meet my fate
Somewhere among the clouds above;
Those that I fight I do not hate
Those that I guard I do not love;
My country is Kiltartan Cross,
My countrymen Kiltartan�s poor,
No likely end could bring them loss
Or leave them happier than before.
Nor law, nor duty bade me fight,
Nor public man, nor cheering crowds,
A lonely impulse of delight
Drove to this tumult in the clouds;
I balanced all, brought all to mind,
The years to come seemed waste of breath,
A waste of breath the years behind
In balance with this life, this death.*
OK, it's a little bit over the top, but this forum gets to me sometimes.
*W.B. Yeats: An Irish Airman foresees his Death. |
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