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AU



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:34 pm    Post subject: I would like some advice... Reply with quote

Hi all,

I would like some advice on embarking upon employment in Saudi Arabia. At the moment I have recognised TEFL certificate and am in the process of completing my MA.

However my experience in teaching is not extensive and my enquiry relates to this. From the collective experience of the those who have are already working in Saudi Arabia, would it be better for me to gain more experience before applying for jobs and how would this impact any potential salary? It may be worth pointing out that all my qualifications are from the UK and I am a native UK citizen.

Kindest Regards

/AU
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another one?

BTW if this is a genuine post, all I can say is please do a search or check one of the recent posts by people seeking general info about working in KSA. I feel people will be reluctant to repost information they have already given recently.
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AU



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see your point I will indeed endevour to do as advised.

Many Thanks.
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lall



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:41 pm    Post subject: Native Reply with quote

AU wrote:
I see your point I will indeed endevour to do as advised.

Many Thanks.


Native, you say, eh?? English skills, whither?

Sorry to say, old chap, despite your claim that you're a native speaker (white-skinned or not), the quality of your posts belie it.
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Mia Xanthi



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:11 pm    Post subject: harsh criticism Reply with quote

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Native, you say, eh?? English skills, whither?

Sorry to say, old chap, despite your claim that you're a native speaker (white-skinned or not), the quality of your posts belie it


This is rather harsh, lall. It seems to me that he/she left out a period (full stop), mispelled a word, and put a capital letter where it wasn't needed. That's all it takes to deprive this person of native speaker status? You haven't taught freshman composition to many native speakers, I guess. Laughing
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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freshman composition


I've always found it interesting that the US education system assumes that one can graduate from 'high school' without being able to write an essay. In other English speaking countries, essay writing is considered a part of secondary, if not primary, education.
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sheikh radlinrol



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cleopatra wrote:
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freshman composition


I've always found it interesting that the US education system assumes that one can graduate from 'high school' without being able to write an essay. In other English speaking countries, essay writing is considered a part of secondary, if not primary, education.


This is the first time Her Majesty has stuck up for anything Anglo-Saxon.
The fact is that undergraduates in the UK are a bunch of illiterate thickies.
'' he should OF done this'' is par for the course.
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Mia Xanthi



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:45 pm    Post subject: freshman comp Reply with quote

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I've always found it interesting that the US education system assumes that one can graduate from 'high school' without being able to write an essay. In other English speaking countries, essay writing is considered a part of secondary, if not primary, education.


Actually, writing an essay is something that every American student is supposed to be able to do well upon leaving high school. Freshman comp is just supposed to be an extension of that, not an introduction to essay writing. Some arrive prepared, some don't. Not all schools in all areas do an adequate job of teaching writing skills. Those who do not know how to write an essay at all are required to take remedial courses before enrolling in freshman comp.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually , the euphemism currently is play is "Developmental Studies." Almost all two-year community colleges have such a department now (and some four-year universities.)
That nice-sounding name simply means: since you clearly didn't learn how to read and write at a "college level" in high school, you're going to have to take these courses before you can enroll in "real" ones.
I taught "Critical Reading" at Santa Fe Community College. I've taught "Freshman Composition" at a university. Developmental Studies students are definitely less skilled in reading and writing than Freshman Composition students.
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John
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Freshman comp is just supposed to be an extension of that, not an introduction to essay writing.


Maybe. But my point was that the US education system assumes that one's 'high school' education does not adequately prepare one for university level writing. The same is not true in European countries.
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a_ibrahim



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:04 am    Post subject: US Education System Reply with quote

Actually, students are not automatically enrolled in Freshman Comp when they begin, unless something has changed since I graduated. Either way, my university required placement tests for all students. If you didn't perform well you'd be in the remedial courses. Let's face it, just because someone passed a course does not mean he/she got an A in that course. Perhaps his/her grades were much higher in other courses, enough to give a boost to the GPA required to be accepted at universities.

The education system in the US is not something you can generalize in this situation. I've met non-native speakers of English who are better than many native speakers from the US, UK and everywhere else. Being from the UK or any native-English speaking nation does not automatically qualify you as an expert in the language.
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