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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 6:26 pm    Post subject: Tax ID Reply with quote

OK, I've been hearing forever that all I need to work in Mexico is my FM3. Recently I was told that I will also need to get a tax ID and a number that's like a social security number.
Any of you guys (and gals) that have been living and working here for a while tell me, is this correct??
I have been observing some classes at a private school in DF to see if I would like to teach kids and was told about this tax ID.
What's the truth??
Here's another question. If you teach kids do you have to get a physical?? I've never heard of this if one wants to teach adults. I ask because I don't believe in immunizations. Flu shots for example.
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notamiss



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your employer requires you to have a tax ID in order for them to pay you, then you will have to get one. It's called RFC (registro federal de contribuyentes).

If it is the case, your employer or clients will tell you that for them to pay you, you need an RFC, or they will say that in order to get paid you need to give them a recibo de honorarios (official invoice).
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MO39



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Notamiss, the Mexico Forum's "font of extremely useful information", do you know the procedure for getting an RFC?

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notamiss



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Find an accountant. Fall sobbing at her knees. IhavetogetanRFCIdon'thaveanyideawhattodoyou'vegottohelpmepleaseplease.

Worked for me.

You have to go to your nearest Hacienda office and submit a bunch of documents and wait. And wait. When you have it, you go to an authorized printer with your ID and documents and get a block of recibos printed up.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

notamiss wrote:
Find an accountant. Fall sobbing at her knees. IhavetogetanRFCIdon'thaveanyideawhattodoyou'vegottohelpmepleaseplease.

Worked for me.

You have to go to your nearest Hacienda office and submit a bunch of documents and wait. And wait. When you have it, you go to an authorized printer with your ID and documents and get a block of recibos printed up.


Silly me! I thought that once I got my FM3, it would be a piece of cake to buy those "recibos" that a couple of new private students will soon be clamoring for. Unfortunately, the emotional scenario you describe with an accountant is probably not exaggerated at all!!
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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks notamiss. Sounds like some schools require the tax ID and others don't. Correct? I guess I'll be asking about that whenever I go on an interview.
Any idea how long it takes to get one of those??? I hear you need to make an appointment also. What kind of documents are you talking about notamiss?
The usual?
Passport
apostilled degree and/or certificate
the FM3??
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notamiss



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is sort of embarassing to admit, but I really don't remember that much about it. The usual documents, certainly, but the only one I can recall that took me by surprise was that I had to present a notarized copy of the FM2, so had to go run to a notario and back at the last minute.

These links might help: http://www.google.com/search?q=inscribirse+rfc+site%3Asat.gob.mx. This one http://www.sat.gob.mx/sitio_internet/asistencia_contribuyente/principiantes/act_intermedio/13_751.html mentions that you either come with the form R1 and Annex 5, or you make an appointment. But the information is 3 years old. Whoops, this one http://www.sat.gob.mx/sitio_internet/princ_fisc_p/131_9890.html is more up to date, and involves an on-line registration form, and an appointment. Actually, in general tr�mites have gotten easier since they've been putting more and more of them online. Stuff that used to take at least 3 visits (one to find out what to do, another to submit the documents, and pick up the result at the 3rd if you're lucky) now is down to 1 or 2.
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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the information notamiss!!
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dixie



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have this number, but it was obtained by the school I was originally working at. I might have had to fill out a form or two, but they gave it to me, took it away and waved their magic (lawyer held) wand.

As for a physical, I have never had to have one until now. My new school requests it. Testing for tuberculosis being a main reason they want it (this is also the norm back home - both for the safety of students and staff, and for the health coverage).
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TheLongWayHome



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Tax ID Reply with quote

jfurgers wrote:
OK, I've been hearing forever that all I need to work in Mexico is my FM3. Recently I was told that I will also need to get a tax ID and a number that's like a social security number.

This depends on the school/institution. If you are paid an hourly rate you should (in theory) go to hacienda to register.

The majority of schools I've worked at do the following: They say they'll sort out the tax thing for you. What they do is group all the employees under one RFC number/the RFC number of the school. You can check this on your recibo de nomina (pay stub). Your RFC number should have your initials in it.

If it's the RFC number of the school then you're paying the school's taxes and usually a lot more than you should. For example, for every $2000 my wife earns she pays $30 tax - she has a legit RFC number and went to hacienda. For every $2000 that I earn I pay $100 in tax - the RFC number on my paystub is the school's one. Some schools call it a 'retension' or whatever but this is what they do.

The school owner will act like he's doing you a favour but you're actually doing him a favour.
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leslie



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bye

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MO39



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, leslie, for all the wonderful information and advice, not to mention the SAT website. Now all I have to do is wait just a little longer for my FM3 to materialize!
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notamiss



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duplicate post deleted.

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notamiss



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks leslie for a very informative post.

One small detail about the first 4 letters of the RFC.

The two letters are the first letter and first vowel of your surname, as you said. (If your surname starts with a vowel, the second letter is the first vowel after the first letter.)
The next letter is the first letter of your maternal surname.
The fourth letter is the first letter of your (first) given name.

Example, Mary Jane Evans Smith (Mary Jane Evans in gringolandia) would start with EASM.

When you get a CURP (clave �nica de registro de poblaci�n) it wil start with the same four letters based on your name and 6 digits based on your birthdate, but the ending is different.

The last part of the RFC is just some random letters and numbers to make it unique (in case there is someone else with the same initial letters and birthday as you.)
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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As everyone else has said, thanks Leslie!!! And everyone else for the wonderful information. I've only been here a little over a week so it may be a while before I get my FM3.
I have an interview tomorrow with Berlitz. I'll see how that goes.
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