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ESLgeek
Joined: 16 May 2008 Posts: 29 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject: Small Towns in Japan |
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Hi everyone,
I have had a job offer in a small town outside Nagano called Nakano. Funnily enough, it is called Nakano City, but the population is only about 43,000. I was just wondering if anyone has had experience living in a small town. What's it like compared to a big city? Are there things to do? I am seriously considering this offer. I know it would be much cheaper than living in Tokyo or Osaka, for example, but I also want to know that there are things to do. Thanks in advance for any responses. |
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dove
Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 271 Location: USA/Japan
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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I lived in a small town in Yamanashi Prefecture for two years. It wasn't for me. I was bored a lot, but I sure did have time to study Japanese (mainly by myself--there were no schools near me) It used to get on my nerves when people would say "but you're experiencing the REAL Japan." I think Shibuya on a Sunday afternoon is just as much the "real" Japan as the deep inaka. Anyway,some good points: There were absolutely gorgeous views of the mountains and the rice paddies; rent was also cheaper. Bad points: not a lot of choices when it came to restaurants, supermarkets, bookstores. Also, I was the only English-speaking foreigner.No one to commiserate with. At that time I worked in a junior high school, which also wasn't for me. I guess it all depends on the person: some people like the countryside (just like some people like working in a junior high school). I'm glad I gave it a try, though. Helped me determine what I like and don't like. But if you go to the countryside, please don't spout out that you're experiencing the "real" Japan and you poor city dwellers are getting a diluted version. Thanks. |
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flyer
Joined: 16 May 2003 Posts: 539 Location: Sapporo Japan
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:02 am Post subject: |
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Yes, its 50/50 and very much up to what kind of person you are and how you handle things.
It will be very quiet, not much shops, etc etc
but you will make many good friends, see the real Japan, safe and enjoy the trips to the cities more
I have been in a small town for 4 years and I like it, but it doesn't mean that I don't miss the shops etc in the city and get lonely sometimes
... as I say its 50/50.
Probably a good place to start |
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G Cthulhu
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 1373 Location: Way, way off course.
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:37 am Post subject: Re: Small Towns in Japan |
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If you're talking about the "Nakano outside Nagano" that I think you are then it's an okay place as far as smaller cities in Japan go. It's well connected to Nagano in so far as you won't notice leaving Nagano and entering Nakano. Nagano is reasonably well connected to the rest of Japan IMO.
Aside from that it's neither here nor there. Best place in Japan to break a bone though. (Seriously.)
Then again, maybe you're meaning one of the other 65000 "Nakano" towns.  |
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cornishmuppet
Joined: 27 Mar 2004 Posts: 642 Location: Nagano, Japan
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:11 am Post subject: |
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I live in Nagano City, but I've been to Nakano once or twice. Not much there, but the train line gets to Nagano in about 40 minutes, and its close to several ski resorts if that's your thing. Don't know much else, but its a pretty enough little place. |
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GIR

Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 64
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:01 am Post subject: |
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dove wrote: |
But if you go to the countryside, please don't spout out that you're experiencing the "real" Japan and you poor city dwellers are getting a diluted version. Thanks. |
LOL, I've always been amused by this idea as well. Considering that 75% of Japanese live in the larger cities, a lot of them are missing out on "real" Japan as well. Besides, I can't imagine people making this sort of statement about their home countries.
On that note, I expect you'll find that differences between large cities and small towns are much the same in Japan as they are elsewhere in the world. Of course, you'll have the added complications of fewer English-language resources. But it's likely you'll also find people a little more willing to help you out. You'll also have a lot more trouble blending in to the masses - everyone will likely recognize you after a few months.
In the end I think it just comes down to whether you prefer the countryside or the city. Or whether the job is good enough to outweigh your preferences. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Posts: 778 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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I'm in a town of about 110,000 people. There are some international restaurants - Indian, Chinese, Thai, Italian, etc.
I'm also not too far from the ocean, and mountains do overloom one side of this smallish city, and there stores. There are even bars, but I find them mostly frequented by older people singing karaoke.
I'd also agree with the above posters about 'the real Japan', as I don't feel this is the real Japan whatsoever. This is town/city is more spread out and has a small mall and a lot of large stores. It feels sleepy like a suburb. There aren't many pedestrians anywhere. If you aren't using a car, then you'll be on a bycycle. It feels less like a 'real Japan', and more like a nondescript suburb that could be anywhere in the world with large chain stores of the generic kind.
For me, I find I have the basic essentials here. But what I really miss are pedestrian-dominated streets with tiny little locally owned shops abound. This is a decent enough INTO Japan (as I can't say anything bad about it), but ultimately I hope to move on to the more urban pastures of Japan - preferably anywhere in the Tokyo or Osaka region. |
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degolasse

Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Posts: 21
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with everyone else. There's pros and cons to both rural and city life, and it depend on what you prefer. If you don't care for the country life in your home country, than you probably won't in Japan either. I've been living in the middle of nowhere (10,000 people spread over 40km of mountains) in Western Honshu for he last 10 months and I love every minute it. However, I can't deny that a part of me longs for the bright lights. Every time I go into the city (usually Hiroshima or Okayama) I feel like I've been missing out on the real Japan, which is to me found in the quirkiness and style of Japanese city folk. It's in the metros that Japan is at it's most exotic. Folk in my town are not a whole lot different from the people in my small town back home in Canada.
So far I've found about living in a rice field:
Pros:
You get to know your town pretty well, and EVERYONE knows you. I got on a bus the other day and a complete stranger who should have no reason to know me said hello and called me by name. I feel like a celebrity.
You learn to appreciate the simpler things in life - I go for long bike rides and hikes, take slow mountain drives, have developed my photography skills etc.. as there is little else to do.
You save money - not only is the cost of living less, but there is nothing to spend your spare money on. I know I would be broke in a city.
Cons: Because everyone knows you, you have no privacy. I can't do anything at all without one of my students or parents seeing me and it's guaranteed that if it's anything interesting, it will be mentioned in class the next day.
There is little to do all week. Weekends are fine as I have many friends in a small city nearby, but from Sunday night til Friday, I'm solo with nothing to do but look at the mountains. But at the same time, it's forced me to get involved in community activities during the week which I enjoy.
It's hard to meet people your own age. There is no one my age in my town, and there would be nowhere to meet them if there was.
Like in any small town anywhere, there is little variety in shopping, entertainment etc...and there are few resources for English speakers. If you think you'll constantly need English things, movies, shopping, etc...then you might find yourself pretty bored much of the time. |
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flyer
Joined: 16 May 2003 Posts: 539 Location: Sapporo Japan
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:24 am Post subject: |
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GIR wrote: |
dove wrote: |
But if you go to the countryside, please don't spout out that you're experiencing the "real" Japan and you poor city dwellers are getting a diluted version. Thanks. |
LOL, I've always been amused by this idea as well. Considering that 75% of Japanese live in the larger cities, a lot of them are missing out on "real" Japan as well. Besides, I can't imagine people making this sort of statement about their home countries.
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Yes, I would actually.
No offense was intended. What I basically meant was big cities (more than rural towns) tend to be very similar. While great shopping and all the bright lights they tend to be Impersonal and far removed from the old sterotype Japan that we probably have. Of course big cities are a real part of modern Japan but .... believe me you will get far more into the culture in a small town than a big city (all things being equal)
But we can agree to disagree!
IMO, yes, city dwellers are getting a diluted version of the old traditional Japan but certainly not the modern concrete one!
I suppose it depends on what you want |
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parrothead

Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 342 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:34 am Post subject: |
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Perhaps when people talk about the "real" Japan they actually mean the more "traditional" Japan. Either that or it is just a tool recruiters use to lure new instructors to places they might not normally be inclined to go. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Posts: 778 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:02 am Post subject: |
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parrothead wrote: |
Perhaps when people talk about the "real" Japan they actually mean the more "traditional" Japan. Either that or it is just a tool recruiters use to lure new instructors to places they might not normally be inclined to go. |
To me, it seems the "real" Japan equals tourist resort areas that mimic what people idealize as must have been what Japan could have, might have been.
The mass majority of these 'rural' areas look NOTHING like the touristy resort areas with all the onsens and oozing Japanese culture everywhere.
But if people are in the urban areas, and go out to the 'rural' tourist resorts and onsens and then back to the urban areas. I can see where they might get that impression.
I know my own little rural area that I live in has all of the same problems as small towns in the U.S.A. It has become car-oriented (and NOT pedestrian-friendly). People drive to big massive stores here and shop, and drive back home. You also have drive-through restaurants here, and all your major Japanese chain stores here. Apparently, a long time ago, there was once a lively downtown here, but it is dying and getting more and more boarded up and closing down. When you see the little mom-and-pop shop open at all, let alone open past 6pm, it is a pleasant surprise. It appears more quaint than anything else. The mass majority of businesses here are some national chain store found throughout Japan.
So, to me, when I go to the urban areas, I see multitudes of little mom-and-pop shops everywhere and incredibly pedestrian-friendly areas and people walking around everywhere, and I think 'cool, this is the Japan that I like!' |
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dove
Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 271 Location: USA/Japan
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:27 am Post subject: |
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Actually I think you can "get into" the culture quite easily in the big cities. Big cities have lots of options when it comes to studying Japanese, ikebana, kendo, koto, etc. In my experience, people in the city were more than willing to introduce me to Japanese culture. I remember once I casually mentioned that I was interested in making miso, and soon enough, a trip to an organic miso company was arranged. But I think Japanese people--whether in the country or the city--love to share aspects of their culture. That's one of the best things about living in Japan. |
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GIR

Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 64
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:35 am Post subject: |
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flyer wrote: |
Yes, I would actually. |
To say that small towns are the "real" part of the country is to suggest that the the cities are "fake". So you're honestly telling me that you think people who live in the countryside are more American, more Canadian, more Austalian, more British, etc. than people who live in the cities?
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What I basically meant was big cities (more than rural towns) tend to be very similar. |
I couldn't disagree more. I grew up in a small town in Midwestern America. It was not significantly different from any other towns of similar size across the Midwest. Basically, the biggest difference was that some had a McDonalds whereas others had a Burger King.
On the other hand, I feel that large cities are very unique. Even if you look at Osaka, Kyoto, and Kobe you can see major differences between them despite being so close to one another.
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and far removed from the old sterotype Japan that we probably have. |
I honestly don't think that how well something matches up to the stereotype you have of it should be a factor that contributes to how "real" it is.
Personally, I think degolasse gave a pretty good description of what living in a small town is like. Reminds of what it's like whenever I go home and stay with my parents for a while (sans mountains). And I think parrothead may be on to something with "real" coming from a marketing angle.
Either way, I think small towns are great for some people and cities are better for others. I was more interested in living in a large city in Japan because I've already had plenty of experience living in the middle of nowhere. I wanted something new, and I've gotten it. |
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jezebel
Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 53
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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GIR wrote: |
To say that small towns are the "real" part of the country is to suggest that the the cities are "fake". |
I think we do the same thing in our home countries as well. But from this point of view, we refer to New York or London or Toronto as "cosmopolitan" or a "world-class" city with "international flair" - meaning that you can find Indian/Thai/Japanese/Moroccan restaurants in addition to the burger joints and pubs, and you can hear people speaking a bunch of different languages. I'd say, as a Canadian, I tend to think of "authentic" America as being found in the small towns - those are the places where you'll find the most difference in accent, culture, attitude from Canada. The big cities may represent a pressure cooker of some of the best (and worst) aspects of any country, but aside from a few tourist attractions, a day in the life in New York is not much different from a day in the life in Tokyo. When we think of a nation's identity it tends to come from the things that are different - which typically aren't a taller skyscraper or a faster subway - it's the cowboy smoking a cigarette and riding a horse toward the Grand Canyon. |
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gaijin4life
Joined: 23 Sep 2006 Posts: 150 Location: Westside of the Eastside, Japan
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:32 am Post subject: |
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degolasse wrote: |
I agree with everyone else... Every time I go into the city .. I feel like I've been missing out on the real Japan, which is to me found in the quirkiness and style of Japanese city folk.. |
I agree and that it depends on what you want and/or need from where you're living. Ive lived in both big cities and small country towns although at this point prefer the city. The rice fields, beautiful old buildings, shrines etc. and proximity to 'nature' are awesome; Im just getting a little over the inconvenience of doing everyday things like shopping, finding a decent cafe and hassles with lack of transport !
But Im glad Ive experienced living in smaller towns because they have a totally different vibe to cities. In one small town (under 100,000) people would regularly smile and greet us when we were out biking or walking. The celebrity factor (or whatever) can be an issue in smaller towns, but there are upsides as well as down. As soon as you get over the fact that you 'are' different; look different and will be stared at, you can just get on with your life there ! - It tended to bring out the exhibitionist in me actually - and Im not usually exhibitionistic at all !
One of the coolest things I heard was when in a small cafe/bakery with a (gaijin) friend having coffee and a small boy at a nearby table said to his parents, 'Gaijin da!' His mother, without missing a beat replied, 'Youkatta ne!' - .
I think that now, for me anyway, it is in the bigger cities, where I can see an interesting 'city version' of 'real Japan' (- what does this mean anyway !) that is diverse, traditional, contemporary and evolving/evolved into its own culture/identity.
I guess its wherever you feel comfortable, or want to be.  |
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