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Cleopatra
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| Of course, there are Saudis who were formerly from countries like Yemen, etc., who may bring the numbers down, but overall, teachers are certainly not impoverished, taking into account the fringe benefits, including free housing. |
Thanks for that piece of information, it is truly enlightening.
I really enjoy your insights into the economic and social complexities of KSA. Only someone, such as yourself, with extensive experience of the country could offer such profound reflections. |
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WhatsGrammar?
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Cleopatra wrote: |
Thanks for that piece of information, it is truly enlightening.
I really enjoy your insights into the economic and social complexities of KSA. Only someone, such as yourself, with extensive experience of the country could offer such profound reflections. |
Sarcasm...................truly the lowest form of wit. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| Well it is rather strange that someone who has never been ın the KofSA sets himself up as an expert on that counntry. İ understand Queen Cleo getting a bıt cheesed of wıth His Ectopalsmic Presence ! |
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Mark100
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:48 am Post subject: |
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Per capita income can be a very misleading statistic.
EFL teachers are at or near the bottom of the western expat income scale but they still do reasonably well compared to many Saudis,
A lot of Saudis earn only the minimum monthly wage of 1500 sar.
This may have gone up since i left but nonetheless a whole lot of Saudis survive on very meagre incomes.
The rich in saudi have huge amoiunts of money and there is a small middle group but there is a bigger group at the bottom of the money scale and they are significantly worse off than your average western expat EFL teacher. |
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sheikh radlinrol
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Well it is rather strange that someone who has never been ın the KofSA sets himself up as an expert on that counntry. İ understand Queen Cleo getting a bıt cheesed of wıth His Ectopalsmic Presence ! |
Has Ghost set himself up as an expert on KSA? Please show us the evidence, if you have any. |
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Cleopatra
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Has Ghost set himself up as an expert on KSA? Please show us the evidence, if you have any. |
Evidence? Look back through this thread and others posts by 'ghost'. He is constantly making 'statements' about KSA, the lifestyle and earnings of teachers here, etc. when he clearly does not know what he is talking about (no, a link to Wikipedia doesn't count). A case in point is his telling everyone here that getting a Saudi visa would be a straightforward process.
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| A lot of Saudis earn only the minimum monthly wage of 1500 sar. |
Is there a minimum wage in KSA?
But yes, it is certainly true that by no means all Saudis are rich, and many are downright poor. However, given that there are many people in the Kingdom - both Saudis and expats - who are far, far wealthier than any ESL teacher, it's just wrong to suppose, as our Korean expert does, that your average roadside fruit and veg vendor is going to see an ESL teacher as a filty rich furrner there for the ripping off. |
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veiledsentiments
Joined: 20 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| sheikh radlinrol wrote: |
| scot47 wrote: |
| Well it is rather strange that someone who has never been ın the KofSA sets himself up as an expert on that counntry. İ understand Queen Cleo getting a bıt cheesed of wıth His Ectopalsmic Presence ! |
Has Ghost set himself up as an expert on KSA? Please show us the evidence, if you have any. |
Scot is right on this one Ya Sheikh... if you search the Ghost's posts and read about a bit, you will see - the evidence is all freely available. For someone who has never lived there, he does have a tendency to pontificate and even correct those who have spent years there... 
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lall
Joined: 30 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject: Flames |
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
| sheikh radlinrol wrote: |
| scot47 wrote: |
| Well it is rather strange that someone who has never been ın the KofSA sets himself up as an expert on that counntry. İ understand Queen Cleo getting a bıt cheesed of wıth His Ectopalsmic Presence ! |
Has Ghost set himself up as an expert on KSA? Please show us the evidence, if you have any. |
Scot is right on this one Ya Sheikh... if you search the Ghost's posts and read about a bit, you will see - the evidence is all freely available. For someone who has never lived there, he does have a tendency to pontificate and even correct those who have spent years there...
Dear VS,
Ghost did surmise on the condititoins in the K S of A. Can't blame 'im, can you?
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Dear Cleopatra,
I'd offered you and Stephen Jones the olive branch (the olive branch being out of context here, since I didn't start the sniping on the "My Middle East Heritage" thread). That was struck down rather quickly, by the mods. In a matter of a couple of hours, really. Wonder what prompted it!
I really don't see what can be accomplished by being abrupt, in replies?
I respect your posts, though they are acerbic at times (It takes all kinds to make the world, doesn't it?). |
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007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| [A lot of Saudis earn only the minimum monthly wage of 1500 sar. |
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| Is there a minimum wage in KSA? |
Well, officially and on paper, the miminum wage rate for the magic kingdom is around SR1675 /month! But, on ground, the effective minimum wage is much lower than the official one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country
I know some Saudis whose wage is not more than SR800 /m !!!!!
And the wage of the 'slaves' of Uncle Bandar is less than SR500 /m !!!
This is the magic kingdom, love it or leave it!
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| I'd offered you and Stephen Jones the olive branch (the olive branch being out of context here... |
Well, lall, the olive branch without a white Indian pegeon will not lead to a peace!. |
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lall
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:57 pm Post subject: Pigeon |
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| lall wrote: |
| I'd offered you and Stephen Jones the olive branch (the olive branch being out of context here... |
Well, lall, the olive branch without a white Indian pegeon will not lead to a peace!. |
Yeah! A dove with the olive twig it is, then.  |
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Stephen Jones
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd offered you and Stephen Jones the olive branch |
Apparently got lost in the post (those pesky pigeons).
But the beatification arrived in a state of embalmed pleatitude. |
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lall
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject: Sainthood |
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| But the beatification arrived in a state of embalmed pleatitude. |
It was instant sainthood that was conferred! Special dispensation to bypass beatification and all that!  |
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scot47
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject: sainthood |
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I am prepared to confer INSTANT SAINTHOOD on suitable candidates for a small administrative charge..
This scheme has nothing to do with INDULGENCES as previously offered.
PM me for details of how to transfer the money. This enterprise is not in any way connected with Nigeria or Nigerians. |
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007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: sainthood |
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I am prepared to confer INSTANT SAINTHOOD on suitable candidates for a small administrative charge..
This scheme has nothing to do with INDULGENCES as previously offered.
PM me for details of how to transfer the money. This enterprise is not in any way connected with Nigeria or Nigerians. |
Well, Uncle Scot, with the help of God's grace, and the benediction of his holiness, the Pope of the Vatican, I officially confirm that you have been appointed as the Bishop of Dave's ESL Cafe, and you can assign and advocate for the cause of the candidate for a sainthood!
Uncle Bishop Scot, what title will you give for a candidate for sainthood, "Venerable' OR "Blessed"? |
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scot47
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:10 am Post subject: |
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| There is a pice-list for those interested. |
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