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BELS
Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 402 Location: Moscow
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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I speak rarely now in my native language over the past four years. I now have residency, and no longer have to visa visits.
But last year, on a visa trip I did four weeks teaching English. It was nice to speak to some native English teachers again, although many of them were either Czech or Polish. It was a great experience, but not much money. But I did get free accomadation, food whilst waiting for a delayed invitation.
It's true that while being in Russia, you tend to speak and write in simplified English, especially when you teach from beginner level mainly to young children and teenagers. Yes we speak and write text style English, and we do tend to speak clearly with a low accent.
And we do learn to mix our language. Smartree! look at your books!!
Doma Robota?? Da , where's your homework. Okay!! Doma Robota !! Write it down. Pissayett, Pissayett!! Yes!! write it down!! Daveye!! Daveye. Excuse my guessing on spelling, as my official speller, my wife, is not around
OH! and I do have a lousy Rover Notebook, which is like a 1970s Lada, and that doesn't help. Time for a new computer, on a teacher's salary
My two year old Russian son is also mixing Russian and English, but that's ok, as the good books state that language should be fun, and he does know the difference. Even at two he is joking with his Daddy. No!! Da!!
Nyet! Yes!! Daddy!! No!! Pappa dog!! No! sabaka!!  |
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BELS
Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 402 Location: Moscow
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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Eesho!! Eesho! More! More!  |
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123go
Joined: 17 Apr 2008 Posts: 7
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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What in God's name is all that about?
I'm not talking about the transliterated Russian, but the English paragraphs are little short of nonsense - "native English teachers - although many of them were either Czech or Polish" !!
"text style English in a low accent"???
Please! I'm not having a go personally but what are you trying to say? |
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rusmeister
Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 867 Location: Russia
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:11 am Post subject: |
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I think he meant that some of the teachers were native, but many were not, and were Czech or Polish).
Although it does point out a practical limit in how much we ought to be able to "let our hair down" in communications in our free time. Oh, and the root for "accommodation" is "commode"; thus an 'o' instead of an 'a'.
Actually BELS, I learn to NOT mix my languages, and it is a tightrope dance, esp. with adults.
With children, I just refuse/pretend to not be able to speak Russian for the first few years. By year four, you HAVE to start dealing with translation, but I've got it down so that before that point I stupidly look things up in a R-E dictionary, make outrageous mistakes, and let the kids correct me. But it's really important to train the kids to use and depend on English. |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Too true, 123go and rusmeister!
I have always thought it so ironic that the most vocal of the posters bemoaning the TEFL industry are usually also the ones who write as though they have barely finished secondary education themselves. Typos are one thing, but obvious inability to spell is quite a serious shortcoming for an English teacher. And if one cannot express oneself in at least basically comprehensible written English, I shudder to think what one's lessons might be like.
But maybe I'm just an old stick-in-the-mud... |
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rusmeister
Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 867 Location: Russia
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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Sashadroogie wrote: |
Too true, 123go and rusmeister!
I have always thought it so ironic that the most vocal of the posters bemoaning the TEFL industry are usually also the ones who write as though they have barely finished secondary education themselves. Typos are one thing, but obvious inability to spell is quite a serious shortcoming for an English teacher. And if one cannot express oneself in at least basically comprehensible written English, I shudder to think what one's lessons might be like.
But maybe I'm just an old stick-in-the-mud... |
In all fairness to BELS, he doesn't bemoan the industry. He certainly has a more positive outlook on it than I do. Maybe he was 'under the influence' at posting time, if you get my drift...
But I do agree with your general sentiment. |
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BELS
Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 402 Location: Moscow
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Sashadroogie wrote: |
Too true, 123go and rusmeister!
basically comprehensible written English, I shudder to think what one's lessons might be like.
But maybe I'm just an old stick-in-the-mud... |
Sashadroogie wrote: |
Too true, 123go and rusmeister!
I have always thought it so ironic that the most vocal of the posters bemoaning the TEFL industry are usually also the ones who write as though they have barely finished secondary education themselves. Typos are one thing, but obvious inability to spell is quite a serious shortcoming for an English teacher. And if one cannot express oneself in at least basically comprehensible written English, I shudder to think what one's lessons might be like.
But maybe I'm just an old stick-in-the-mud... |
Ok, I'm a lousy writer in all my posts and not suitable to be a teacher, if that's what you are saying ? But we all have to make a living, and the TEFL business is all I've got. I started this business four years ago, and I do it legally. I have a family to keep , with a wife and two young children. All parents bring their children to me due to results and local reputation.
There's no doubt about it, as I'm the best and it has been proven. Results of children communicating in English with Reading, Writing, speaking, and listening is important to me. And I get these results, where others don't!
But I can now honestly state that come September 2008, that my wife and I will be earning 2,000 roubles per academic hour,of whether we teach a group of eight or whether we teach one to one. Most of our students are and will be young children, and most of them are from personal recommendation.
We now have two classrooms within a state school, and they have been rented legally signed by the local government and the Education dept, with only one slight problem for the moment, and that is for us to ensure that we have a meter installed to show the amount of electric and heating we use. But I am sure that we will sort out this problem out eventually.
Between us we will have an estimated 60 hours teaching time starting from September 2008, and probably more, as many more will start enquiring by September. So work it out for yourself.
So am I negative about the TEFL businss? No I'm not.
But yes, I am rather concerned about Newbies coming here, under the current inflation crisis, and where income hasn't risen to meet the rising costs. They need to be made aware before they arrive, rather than come here to work in Moscow, and they end-up becoming the biggest moaners on this forum. I've seen that happen before, and it's what made me decide to decide to teach independantly here, rather than be employed by a training centre in Russia , with the assistance of my Russian wife of course.
By the way, we are talking about working as a teacher in Russia aren't we, and not how I personally write for example.
I wouldn't have happened to have upset you on another forum, would I ??
If so , let's get back on the other forum and talk about  |
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BELS
Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 402 Location: Moscow
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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rusmeister wrote: |
I think he meant that some of the teachers were native, but many were not, and were Czech or Polish).
Although it does point out a practical limit in how much we ought to be able to "let our hair down" in communications in our free time. Oh, and the root for "accommodation" is "commode"; thus an 'o' instead of an 'a'.
Actually BELS, I learn to NOT mix my languages, and it is a tightrope dance, esp. with adults.
With children, I just refuse/pretend to not be able to speak Russian for the first few years. By year four, you HAVE to start dealing with translation, but I've got it down so that before that point I stupidly look things up in a R-E dictionary, make outrageous mistakes, and let the kids correct me. But it's really important to train the kids to use and depend on English. |
I totally agree, don't take me too seriously on recent posts. It's English to English and nothing else, especially for very young beginners. But you can't avoid the occaional "Smartree" or doma robota.
I tell observing parents and assistants to shut-up. For example if I'm showing red, they don't need to state krastne, or I sow a car, Macheena!!!!! Get out ! I say, and I'll do it myself. Yes you can teach English to beginners, without any Russian. It's slower at the beginning, but the quality is much better in the end. I must admit admit I do need the occasional assistance of my wife , who has a linguist degree in teaching English. She also believes English to English, but there are certain times of grammar for , that you can't get through to them, without some Russian assistance.
But the very young developiing in Engish, such as from 5 year olds, absolutely no problem. I'd take them even younger if I had the facilities.
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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Hey, BELS, no you didn't insult me on any forum. Didn't mean to sound insulting to you either, as was commenting on posters generally. But man, if the cap fits... I really do not understand half of what you write... |
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