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[Orrin]

I guess that I could be considered a "geezer". I'm 62 yo, and have an income of about RMB10000/mo from my retirement. I recently accepted an appointment at a local college for a salary not-too-far-short of RMB20K/mo.

I am here in China (and have been for over 5 years), because I want to be. I'm here to do a job to the best of my ability. But, if an employer wants me to to that job, I'm going to demand proper compensation. I guess that's what's called "work ethic".

When I read posts about someone accepting a full-time uni job for 4K/mo because they want to be on a long-term "vacation", or because they have some other agenda (perhaps religious), I get angry. What do you think the quality of the teaching some "vacationer" or "backpacker" is going to be with that kind of attitude?

When those with those motives accept "peanut" paying positions (4000/mo. for full-time uni gig) it does nothing else than further run down the reputations of the rest of us as a group, and, at the same time drive down the pay scales.

Please people, pull your collective heads out of your collective butts and face reality!

[arioch36]

The anti-chriaitan paranoia at Dave's i scrap. I mean, I know if I post on Dave's I have to listen to it.. All the posters who claim they are so tolerant, not like "Born-again" christians, is so pathetically hypocritical. Unfortunately your ahte and bitterness inside makes it impossible to talk rationally about any subject that includes religion.

I believe in Jesus dying for my many many sins. I am also the highest paid teacher at my university.

So all of you people who get off hating christianity because it makes you feel superior are cowardly hypocrites, preferring to make blanket stereotypes to continue your lack of objectivity.
The guy Tang talked about who upped his salary to a much higher level, a far as I know in our talks, believes in God. I don't want to misrepresent him.

No, Patsy, I never said all older women are "patsies" sorry for the terrible pun. The toughest women in Zhengzhou, perhaps, an older Australian, solid believer, never accepted a low wage, and has started her own school. But I have seen many older women )my mon was one) who feel they must always say yes and do everything. why must you make it a church-thing

You know, I wouldn't think the anti-Christian extremists here at Dave's would be so bad, if I ever actually saw some of the things you are tlaking about. I have been in henan for seven years, you guy are full of it. One school I know relies on trying to get cheap help from Christians. One! You "tolerant guys who hate the intolerance of Christians" so intolerant. You are the ones pushing your views down people's throats. It can be seen here at Dave's in your hate-filled intolerant speech.

I have seen Christians who come here sometimes, sometimes accept lower wages then they should. Last year, a Masters from Scotland accepted 3,400 for 20 hours. he definitely had no interest in Christianity (but a heavy interest in drinking). Oh those Scots!

You know, if some one wans to do English corner, that is really up to them. if they do it because they feel they must to get the job, then that;s too bad. But if a person wants to do english corner, I don't think they are obligated to say no just top appease you. I would try to have it paid, personally.

Oh well, another thread that I will have to stay away from.

Why do you think so many of these "intolerant, push their view down your throats Jesus freaks" never are seen posting here? Because you are all so tolerant of people who don't hold the same opinions.

NOT!

[Orrin]

Well, that's interesting. I don't think I wrote, nor have I ever written, anything on this board, or any other ESL-retated board, that could even be remotely considered "anti-christian". A very interesting reaction though.

[patsy]

lol, geez, ok. welcome to Xining, Qinghai.

[Moon Over Parma]

[jeffinflorida]

2 teachers at the school I used to work are trying hard to convert one of my former students . She is in their class and we are friends and she tells me that they talk to her about god and jesus and all the crap.

I told her complain to the Party secretary at her school about these people and they will be gone but she is meek...

They dont let up - try to get her to pray with them and tell her to accept jesus and I am not sure what to do.

It upsets this student to the point where she doesn't want to go to their class anymore.

[arioch36]

Continuing off the thread



Some people like to talk about God all the time

Some like to talk about Chinese girls' cute butts all the time

Some like to talk about Heavy Metal music all the time

If the classroom isn't the preaching place, then what's the point? people talk about what they want, you hang around them, or you leave.

If the classroom is the place, they all suck equally. Never personally in seven years know of the first happening, though I hear about it at Dave's a lot


I know an agnostic, believes very strongly in this, and is always belittling religion. Does this mean all agnostics are equally disrespectful of my beliefs? No, my best friend last year wasn't a believer. So What?

Jeff, I have no idea whether what this student is telling you is true or not. Students love to lie. Chinese love to get foreigners angry at each other. I will always be told on the bus or by a student, how I am better then so and so teacher, and how so and so laowai does such and such bad thing. I won't get caught up. "Well, if this teacher did something you think is wrong, I am the wrong person to tell, you should talk to your class leader, or teaching leader or Dean. You know the rules of China far better then I"
And guess what, when my back is turned, I wouldn't be surprised if they say the same to me. They will tell you exactly what you want to hear.
But why is the student telling you this? Really. Now if the teachers are trying to convert her in class, they suck as a teacher. I have many Christian laowai friends here in China, and none of them would condone this behaviour.
When are they doing this? When she comes to their house or goes shopping with them? Well then that is between them. If she doesn't like it, why does she hang out with them. I knew a Ft who was hitting on his students. And I guess I could make some crap generalization about all men who come to CHina, or all non-christians who come to China. Not my style.
A girl came and told me this. I said, why are you telling me? Don't go to his house, and don't go places with him. That's simple. If he has done something illegal, then report him or don't report him

I knew a non-religious Jew. Invited students to his house, a group of four would come over, get drunk (that I knew for sure) and rumours of else. Another teacher showed students porn, another was big into SciFi movies. If students came to my house, more likely then not do one of the three, eat, play card, or study the bible, because these are the things that I enjoy doing in my house. Obviously, I have my own judgment scaling of these activities
I also will give the CHinese the right to choose what they want to do. Occasionally boys who want to get drunk with me at my house, I tell them I'm not the right laowai, but if you want to do one of the above three, come on over.
But then I am an evil prosteltyzer who accepts low wages (the point of this thread, if anyone remembers) even though I am the highest paid at my college

[arioch36]

More off thread, but to respond

MOP

[redpiston]

[un]

Not to get off-off-Broadway...

.....................BUT...............

In an attempt to DIA-LOGUE...
...that is, to under-stand the mind-set/values of a fellow FT
...and to get a sense of what may be said by said-FT
to Chinese students...
...as long as the students ASK FIRST,
then it's PRC legal, yes?

So...the question is....
...as in a Role Play...
...as if it's coming from a Chinese student asking a sincere question...

Question refers to:

[Moon Over Parma]

[Moon Over Parma]

[redpiston]

[Moon Over Parma]

[redpiston]

I whole heartily agree with you...