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la reina



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is great! Please keep the advice coming!
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notamiss



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bit off the topic of safety and security, but this follows from the anecdote about confusion over invitar. Cooperaci�n might confuse you the first time you're asked for one, since it means what in English we call a "contribution" (financial) � chipping in with your share.

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dixie



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those of you owned by a pet, be careful where you board your furry friend.

I had to leave my two dogs at the vets while we returned to Canada for the Christmas holidays. I returned to pick them up - one was terrified (she�s mommy�s sucky girl, and never likes me to leave her) - but both were in bad physical condition. Tequila (sucky girl) had a massive raw spot on her chest, as well as several on her front legs, and paws. Chela had a few marks, but not as many. The big problem (that I stupidly didn�t check out) was that the cage bottoms were wire grates - a MASSIVE NO-NO (unless you run a puppy mill). Chela was no worse for the wear, but Tequila was terrified. Obviously, we never returned (nor have I left them anywhere since).
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

la reina wrote:
This is great! Please keep the advice coming!


Happy you like it! Just remember to use this advice. Don't be a victim.
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arthur mcbradley



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

how safe is it to walk around with ipod headphones on? i guess that a potential thief would know that they must be attached to something and that you can't necessarily hear them sneaking up on you from behind... what about having your pocket digital camera out while sightseeing? is this a bad idea? i plan on moving to mexico city in january, and these are two things i have with me all the time when out & about in korea... it'd be ashame to have to forego these two favorites because of something that might happen... just wondering?
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the ipod, it might depend on the part of town you're in. I wouldn't worry too much walking about the streets with it (though you might want to watch you're not hit by a car!). I see people with them all the time in the subway, but as a foreigner, you might be tempting pickpockets.

Everyone and his uncle Jorge has a digital camera here. I wouldn't worry about that one either, though again, maybe not in a crowded subway or certain areas of town that don't offer much by way of sights to see anyway.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
For the ipod, it might depend on the part of town you're in. I wouldn't worry too much walking about the streets with it (though you might want to watch you're not hit by a car!). I see people with them all the time in the subway, but as a foreigner, you might be tempting pickpockets.

Everyone and his uncle Jorge has a digital camera here. I wouldn't worry about that one either, though again, maybe not in a crowded subway or certain areas of town that don't offer much by way of sights to see anyway.


I agree with Guy on this one. Be careful with obviously expensive items. I'm always amazed by the people that will go to a third-world country and then stroll casually around with obvious signs of wealth and not even pay attention to what's going on around them. Large cameras, expensive watches, tourist clothing, laptop bags casually slung over the shoulder and flashing credit cards and/or amounts of cash will make you a possible target.

If you are using a I-pod, mp-3 etc you should be OK, also a compact digital camera won't stand out too much and you can put it away when you are done.

I met a Russian guy living in Los Angeles, CA and visiting Tijuana. He got his $3000 camera stolen. How? Robbery? Corrupt cops? No. Stupidity. Plain and simple. He was in an internet cafe, left his backpack in his chair and went to use the bathroom, when he came back the bag was gone. Could have happened anywhere, but he chose to blame Mexico/Mexicans. Sorry buddy, he had only himself to blame. He gave the opportunity and someone took it. They might not have even known what he had in the bag, they just snatched it. Once again, stay alert, use common sense and trust no one, not even the cops.

This is Mexico. Minimum wage is about $55 pesos per day($5USD). Your fancy laptop, camera, etc, easily represents a month's salary to most people... Even a normally honest person can be tempted to steal when given a golden opportunity.

One other thing, if you are ever confronted by a robber, just give up the goods and you should be OK. The criminals in Mexico still seem to follow the unwritten rule "If you don't resist, you don't get hurt". Most of the criminals are only after money, not hurting people. If you do put up a fight, they can become very violent.

Another tip: Consider carrying a false/fake wallet with you. You take an old wallet, and put old/expired ID cards, various other cards (membership cards, business cards etc.) a few photos and various other scraps of assorted stuff that we all have in our actual wallets. Top this off with about $200 pesos and maybe a few dollar bills. If you are confronted by a robber give him this wallet and then take off. These criminals aren't going to stop and pat you down.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know, a lot of the advice being given on this thread are things I would do to be safe back home in the USA. For example, I can't imagine leaving a backpack on my chair in a restaurant to go to the bathroom, even if it didn't have anything valuable inside, ANYWHERE. I wonder if the Russian guy Prof. Gringo talks about would have done what he did in Moscow or wherever he was from...Just use common sense, and you should be fine.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MO39 wrote:
You know, a lot of the advice being given on this thread are things I would do to be safe back home in the USA. For example, I can't imagine leaving a backpack on my chair in a restaurant to go to the bathroom, even if it didn't have anything valuable inside, ANYWHERE. I wonder if the Russian guy Prof. Gringo talks about would have done what he did in Moscow or wherever he was from...Just use common sense, and you should be fine.


Exactly!!! Exclamation
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another note on signs of wealth.

The catch 22 is that because you're a gringo some people will think the things you have are worth something. I've had two 5 dollar watches stollen, one in Puebla and one in Ecuador. Rolling Eyes
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hlamb



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have generally felt very safe here and the rare occassions when I didn't happened because I didn't understand what was happening, rather than being in any actual danger.

HOWEVER, I was grabbed recently on the street at night-and not just my @ss, either. From what the guy said to me, it was pretty obvious he wasn't after money but definitely wanted to get me to go home with home. Shocked At first I told him to leave me alone and tried to break his hold on me, but he just grabbed me again. That's when I started to scream as loudly as I could and punched him in the stomach (not as hard I would have liked). He found I was not an easy target and ran off. So, if you figure they're after you, not your wallet, make as much noise as possible.

This can of course happen anywhere, so take your usual common sense precautions, but don't forget to have fun. Be careful, but don't let yourself get paranoid.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hlamb wrote:
I have generally felt very safe here and the rare occassions when I didn't happened because I didn't understand what was happening, rather than being in any actual danger.

HOWEVER, I was grabbed recently on the street at night-and not just my @ss, either. From what the guy said to me, it was pretty obvious he wasn't after money but definitely wanted to get me to go home with home. Shocked At first I told him to leave me alone and tried to break his hold on me, but he just grabbed me again. That's when I started to scream as loudly as I could and punched him in the stomach (not as hard I would have liked). He found I was not an easy target and ran off. So, if you figure they're after you, not your wallet, make as much noise as possible.

This can of course happen anywhere, so take your usual common sense precautions, but don't forget to have fun. Be careful, but don't let yourself get paranoid.


Now that's some scary stuff. Yes, if you are attacked, in a physical and/or sexual way, make as much noise as possible and defend yourself. Pepper spray is highly effective. As long as you don't give the target any warning and strike them in the eyes/face. Kinda hard to continue an attack when your face, eyes, mouth, nose, lungs are on fire and you can't breathe. I know because I have pepper sprayed people in the past and the effects were excellent. Only once did someone block the spray (a former prison inmate) and keep coming. The sight of my 50,000 volt stun gun crackling made that idiot change his mind...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MO39 wrote:
El Gallo wrote:


Use the same common sense you would use in a bad part of town at home.


Wow, maybe I'm na�ve, but I must say that I feel safer in my neighborhood here in Mexico City than I ever did in even fair-to-middling parts of Philadelphia and New York City.


Feeling safe is the step before complacency - that was my downfall!
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MO39



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gary Denness wrote:
MO39 wrote:
El Gallo wrote:


Use the same common sense you would use in a bad part of town at home.


Wow, maybe I'm na�ve, but I must say that I feel safer in my neighborhood here in Mexico City than I ever did in even fair-to-middling parts of Philadelphia and New York City.


Feeling safe is the step before complacency - that was my downfall!


So, what happened?!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MO39 wrote:
Gary Denness wrote:
MO39 wrote:
El Gallo wrote:


Use the same common sense you would use in a bad part of town at home.


Wow, maybe I'm na�ve, but I must say that I feel safer in my neighborhood here in Mexico City than I ever did in even fair-to-middling parts of Philadelphia and New York City.


Feeling safe is the step before complacency - that was my downfall!


So, what happened?!


I got robbed at gunpoint no more than 2 minutes from my front door. Twas dark, the crack of dawn, no street lighting and no other people - but I've been doing that trip to the bus stop for nearly years. I was half asleep, in my own little world and didn't even realise there was anyone else about till I had a gun in my gut! A little more awareness on my part might have helped.

It happens!
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