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louis.p
Joined: 07 Oct 2007
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Location: Tainan, Taiwan
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| There are no local Chinese consulates or embassies in the country I'm living in -- that being Taiwan. |
Just a word to the wise...while in mainland China, if you refer to Taiwan as a country, be prepared to deal with the consequences. |
Right -- I'll remember that. Basically, I'm not going to tell anyone I've lived in Taiwan to avoid that politically conditioned view. |
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louis.p
Joined: 07 Oct 2007
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Location: Tainan, Taiwan
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:53 am Post subject: |
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http://www.fbt-chinavisa.com.hk/
Work Visa (Z Visa)
Issued to foreigners who are to take up a post or employment in China and their accompanying family members. Work visa is not available in our office. |
I've booked my flight home (US). Hopefully there won't be any visa problems there. It seems variance in the probability of being denied is related to the province in which one will work. |
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North China Laowei
Joined: 08 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:24 pm Post subject: Clear Enough |
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| louis.p wrote: |
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http://www.fbt-chinavisa.com.hk/
Work Visa (Z Visa)
Issued to foreigners who are to take up a post or employment in China and their accompanying family members. Work visa is not available in our office. |
I've booked my flight home (US). Hopefully there won't be any visa problems there. It seems variance in the probability of being denied is related to the province in which one will work. |
I wish you good luck in your trip home for a visa. If you lived in Chongqing as a teenager, that might indicate that you are an ABC or a CBA, perhaps, unless in those days your parents were here with you.
To answer your question again as directly as possible, you do not need a medical examination in Hong Kong prior to the issuance of a Z visa through the China visa office.
As for foreverbright, that has been posted here numerous times also. Check the posts of 7969.
We have also discussed here numerous times that under the best of days they do not engage in the procuring of Z visas.
All of this being said, it is extremely doubtful under the present rules whether you will be able to procure a Z visa in Hong Kong at all. I had dinner with the Chief Of Police for the Foreigners (meaning the Big Leader of the Entry-and-Exit Division of the PSB that
has power over foreign residence permits) in the rather large city where I live (we have become good friends) and he told me that Hong Kong is not open for business until after the Olympics. As for the French and German remark, well, no, it came from a rather direct source, I hate to tell you. The current rules are the current rules.
So I hope that answers your question in a manner that is clear to you..
Next, under the current rules, fi you are an CBA, you should expect to be thoroughly vetted here during the visa process in this pre-Olympic period. A CBA colleague of mine had his visa held for nearly three months during processing while the PSB made a determination as to the manner and form in which you or your family might have left the PRC..
Next, once you arrive in China on a Z visa, you will be taken for a medical, not at all like the medical that you remembered as a teenager. When you were a teenager in Chongqing, I am quite sure that you were not tested for VD, AIDS, Herpes, STD, TB, malaria, the presence of illicit substances in your bloodstream, etc., etc. If you were, I would be very startled as to know why.
Depending upon the province where you are going to work, the exam will be either very cursory or quite in-depth. Again, it's a shoot of the dice but if you don't pass the exam, you don't get the residence permit, it's as simple as that.
All that being said, have a good trip home.
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TexasHighway
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| When you were a teenager in Chongqing, I am quite sure that you were not tested for VD, AIDS, Herpes, STD, TB, malaria, the presence of illicit substances in your bloodstream, etc., etc. If you were, I would be very startled as to know why. |
I am very curious why he wouldn't have been tested. After arriving in China on a student visa in 1989, I was told I needed to take an AIDS test, which I kept putting off. Then at 7 am on a Saturday morning, I was awoken by a voice on my university dorm room speaker telling me I had visitors in the reception room. When I went down, I saw a few nurses with big smiles and even bigger needles waiting for me. I also saw a few other sleepy, disgruntled foreign students meeting the same fate. |
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North China Laowei
Joined: 08 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject: See Below |
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| When you were a teenager in Chongqing, I am quite sure that you were not tested for VD, AIDS, Herpes, STD, TB, malaria, the presence of illicit substances in your bloodstream, etc., etc. If you were, I would be very startled as to know why. |
I am very curious why he wouldn't have been tested. After arriving in China on a student visa in 1989, I was told I needed to take an AIDS test, which I kept putting off. Then at 7 am on a Saturday morning, I was awoken by a voice on my university dorm room speaker telling me I had visitors in the reception room. When I went down, I saw a few nurses with big smiles and even bigger needles waiting for me. I also saw a few other sleepy, disgruntled foreign students meeting the same fate. |
He wrote that he was a teenager in CQ. At that point in time in China, teenagers were not generally subjected to those kind of rules.
You were an exchange student in China in 1989? That was a true rare occurrence in those years before things opened up. And the nurses were downstairs in your dormitory to administer AIDS tests? I am also surprised by that. |
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louis.p
Joined: 07 Oct 2007
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Location: Tainan, Taiwan
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: Clear Enough |
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Thank you NCL... I found your post informative. I particularly appreciate your usage of real-life examples in your answers.
I'm not an ABC; my mother took me to Chongqing at the formative age of 15; we lived there for 10 months. At that time, our in-China physical consisted of some blood work. We were tested for HIV. It is my understanding, though, that TB requires a specialized test. I just had a medical here in Taiwan with no problems. However, I guess the risk is picking up some nasty bug between arriving in China and getting one's health check.
Right now it seems a bit risky attempting to move to China. My Z visa app. could be turned down in the US or my work permit could be turned down once I'm in China. All of this for a substantial pay cut and a loss of great, cheap health insurance! I may be out of my mind -- teaching kids all day tends to harm cognitive functions! Anyways, it should prove to be an interesting experience and working with adults will probably be more challenging cognitively speaking.
I'll post the results of my trip home in August. |
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TexasHighway
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He wrote that he was a teenager in CQ. At that point in time in China, teenagers were not generally subjected to those kind of rules.
You were an exchange student in China in 1989? That was a true rare occurrence in those years before things opened up. And the nurses were downstairs in your dormitory to administer AIDS tests? I am also surprised by that. |
Aha, so he did have the AIDS test. I think NCL owes me a case of beer. Anyway, to answer your questions, yes I came to China in 1989 to study Chinese for a year. To quote Dickens: "It was the best of times. It was the worse of times". Foreigners were indeed a rare breed here, particuarly post June 4th. We were stared at everywhere we went. At that time, if I saw a foreigner on the streets of Shanghai, I would stop and ask him where he was from. It seems like most westerners knew each other. We got a lot of individual attention, sometimes more than we cared for. And the government was very paranoid about AIDS. Using their logic...AIDS is caused by bad behavior...foreigners engage in bad behavior...therefore most foreigners have AIDS. More than once while walking down the streets, I heard a Chinese person yell out "AIDS". Only recently has the government admitted that AIDS is a worldwide problem and it is a problem in China too. |
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arioch36
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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| I think NCL owes me a case of beer |
Well, that will set him back 20 yuan
I thought back then they didn't acknolwdge there was HIV. Well back then it was (and I guess still is) a "foreigner disease |
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North China Laowei
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Sorry, Texas HIghway, no beer, this is China.
I will only buy you baiju, gold, silver or whatever. And Arioch can join us.
Unfortunately, I don't drink. Particularly baijju.
And to Louis P., yes, TB requires a smear. However, it can, in various forms also show in a chest x-ray and if the examining radiologist is competent, and they can be here, then he or she might detect it.
What you don't know, or many do not know, is that these rather innocent looking little clinics where we are taken for our medicals here are not just so innocent little clinics. They are under the direct control of the PSB and all there are PSB employees. The system is quite thorough, even if it escapes the foreigners who look at all of this rather innocuously.
In the district of the larger city where I live, they simply dropped all pretensions. One is taken to a PSB building and ushered into a special clinic that is located on the second and third floor of the building. |
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TexasHighway
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Well, that will set him back 20 yuan
I thought back then they didn't acknolwdge there was HIV. Well back then it was (and I guess still is) a "foreigner disease |
Yeah, at least he should send me the 20 yuan. And you are exactly right, HIV was a just considered a foreign devils' disease. |
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Joe C.
Joined: 08 May 2003
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Location: Witness Protection Program
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: Clear Enough |
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| ... All of this being said, it is extremely doubtful under the present rules whether you will be able to procure a Z visa in Hong Kong at all. I had dinner with the Chief Of Police for the Foreigners (meaning the Big Leader of the Entry-and-Exit Division of the PSB that has power over foreign residence permits) in the rather large city where I live (we have become good friends) and he told me that Hong Kong is not open for business until after the Olympics. As for the French and German remark, well, no, it came from a rather direct source, I hate to tell you. The current rules are the current rules. |
Your Big Leader forgot to tell Hong Kong they were closed. 
Two new faces appeared on Friday and both had just received their Z visas in Hk the day before. One was a Brit and the other an American. |
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North China Laowei
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: Clear Enough |
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| ... All of this being said, it is extremely doubtful under the present rules whether you will be able to procure a Z visa in Hong Kong at all. I had dinner with the Chief Of Police for the Foreigners (meaning the Big Leader of the Entry-and-Exit Division of the PSB that has power over foreign residence permits) in the rather large city where I live (we have become good friends) and he told me that Hong Kong is not open for business until after the Olympics. As for the French and German remark, well, no, it came from a rather direct source, I hate to tell you. The current rules are the current rules. |
Your Big Leader forgot to tell Hong Kong they were closed.
Two new faces appeared on Friday and both had just received their Z visas in Hk the day before. One was a Brit and the other an American. |
Thank you for the helpful information. BTW, aren't you in America these days? |
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Joe C.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: Clear Enough |
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| ... All of this being said, it is extremely doubtful under the present rules whether you will be able to procure a Z visa in Hong Kong at all. I had dinner with the Chief Of Police for the Foreigners (meaning the Big Leader of the Entry-and-Exit Division of the PSB that has power over foreign residence permits) in the rather large city where I live (we have become good friends) and he told me that Hong Kong is not open for business until after the Olympics. As for the French and German remark, well, no, it came from a rather direct source, I hate to tell you. The current rules are the current rules. |
Your Big Leader forgot to tell Hong Kong they were closed.
Two new faces appeared on Friday and both had just received their Z visas in Hk the day before. One was a Brit and the other an American. |
Thank you for the helpful information. BTW, aren't you in America these days? |
Obviously not. |
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North China Laowei
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: Clear Enough |
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Joe C.
Anyway, I took the time to go back to read all of your 890 posts. Uniformly hyperaggressive is the term that comes to mind at least in terms of how you handle the majority of posters on this board.
As for the accuracy of the information that you provide, that remain to be seen. |
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Joe C.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:26 pm Post subject: Re: Clear Enough |
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| North China Laowei wrote: |
Joe C.
Anyway, I took the time to go back to read all of your 890 posts. Uniformly hyperaggressive is the term that comes to mind at least in terms of how you handle the majority of posters on this board.
As for the accuracy of the information that you provide, that remain to be seen. |
And with your X-Ray vision did you find the one that says I am in America these days? 
Some people have a lower tolerance for honesty and intellectually challenged individuals.
I like your post about how spouses on residence permits obtained through their working spouse can legally work. Too bad the PSB seems to think it's not true.
You know, you are starting to smell a lot like HFG.
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