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trapezius
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Location: Land of Culture of Death & Destruction
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| Off-topic, but, trapezius, can I ask what incited your poor little avatar to self-descruct? |
MS Word, and stupid people on the internet 
^ Correct. No one denies, not even the Iranians, that they have a nuclear program. Ahmedinejad and the senior clerics say it is for energy purposes, and The Texan and his "clerics" say it is for making bombs.
Who to believe... both sides are liars! |
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cmp45
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:01 am Post subject: |
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| Off-topic, but, trapezius, can I ask what incited your poor little avatar to self-descruct? |
MS Word, and stupid people on the internet |
If your avatar represents who you are; then you need to try a new strategy. Clearly, what your doing isn't working, you keep self-destructing over and over and over again....to the same end result; a mass of bloody pulp. Are you a slow learner or what??? |
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johnslat
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Dear trapezius,
"Who to believe... both sides are liars!"
Then it's easy - disbelieve both sides. And there's no use getting upset over the duplicity of politicians; it's their nature:
"The Scorpion and the Frog is a fable often mis-attributed to Aesop. The story is about a scorpion asking a frog to carry him across a river. The frog is afraid of being stung, but the scorpion reassures him that if it stung the frog, the frog would sink and the scorpion would drown as well. The frog then agrees; nevertheless, in mid-river, the scorpion stings him, dooming the two of them. When asked why, the scorpion explains, "I'm a scorpion; it's my nature."
The story is sometimes told with a turtle or fox in place of the frog.
It is often quoted to illustrate the purportedly insuppressible nature of one's self at its base level."
Don't be that frog.
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Cleopatra
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Location: Tuamago Archipelago
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| Alleged??? Even the Iranians acknowledge their existence! |
Certainly nobody - least of all the Iranians - denies that Iran does have nuclear facilities, though the Iranians claim they are for purely peaceful purposes. However, both the US and Israel (both nuclear armed) have a track record of bombing sites in countries they don't like, and then claiming that these sites were weapons facilities.
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| It's their purpose that worries many of us. |
Yes yes, I know that you stay awake at night worrying about far-way third-tier powers with no nuclear weapons and no history of aggression, though you never did get round to explaining why. Personally, I'm more concerned with countries which have both nuclear weapons and a recent history of aggression.
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| Who to believe... both sides are liars |
Indeed. Fortunately, however, in this case there is no need to listen to mendacious politicians of any persuasion. According to the IAEA, there is no evidence that Iran is building nuclear weapons. Their Nobel prize winning leader, Mohammed El Baradei, has said he will resign in the event of a military strike on Iran's "nuclear facilities".[/list] |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Their Nobel prize winning leader, Mohammed El Baradei, has said he will resign in the event of a military strike on Iran's "nuclear facilities". |
Since a certain nameless, but very near to me, government has been trying to get rid of this hard-working independent voice for many years... might this threat be counterproductive? Allowing them to 'kill' two birds with one stone... so to speak...
VS |
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Cleopatra
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Good point, VS. El Baradei is to Iran what Hans Blix was to Iraq. Both men have far too much professional independence and integrity for the war mongers in Washington, London and Tel Aviv.
That said, I still do not believe there will be a military strike on Iran in the near future. It's not that the will isn't there, but it's just a step too far, even for the above mentioned war mongers. |
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scot47
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| The crazies in Washington DC have enough on their plates with Iraq and Afghanistan. But then remember trhey ARE crazies. |
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cmp45
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It truly would be crazy, if USA were to initiate a first strike, however, I predict Israel will be the one to set it off and then of course the USA and others will be forced into the situation. It is just a matter of time, before all hell breaks loose.
Fear is a crippling emotion...best keep it in check.
As Henny Penny said: the sky's falling! The sky's falling! |
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007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:20 pm Post subject: The Mother of all Battles |
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Well, if Iran is attacked, sooner or later, then expect the real Mother of all Battles! The sky over the magic kingdom will be burning on top of your heads, so prepare yourself for that day!
BTW, if you have any fortune in any bank in the magic kingdom, just transfer them before it is too late.  |
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sheikh radlinrol
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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Location: Spain
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| Alleged??? Even the Iranians acknowledge their existence! |
Certainly nobody - least of all the Iranians - denies that Iran does have nuclear facilities, though the Iranians claim they are for purely peaceful purposes. However, both the US and Israel (both nuclear armed) have a track record of bombing sites in countries they don't like, and then claiming that these sites were weapons facilities.
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| It's their purpose that worries many of us. |
Yes yes, I know that you stay awake at night worrying about far-way third-tier powers with no nuclear weapons and no history of aggression, though you never did get round to explaining why. Personally, I'm more concerned with countries which have both nuclear weapons and a recent history of aggression.
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| Who to believe... both sides are liars |
Indeed. Fortunately, however, in this case there is no need to listen to mendacious politicians of any persuasion. According to the IAEA, there is no evidence that Iran is building nuclear weapons. Their Nobel prize winning leader, Mohammed El Baradei, has said he will resign in the event of a military strike on Iran's "nuclear facilities".[/list] |
Your majesty.
I live within 200 kilometres of France. France has nuclear weapons. It has a history of war with neighbours. Am I worried? No.
The thought of ''lunocracies'' like Iran having nuclear weapons is alarming. I've met Iranians who long to return to their homeland but won't until the vile regime is removed.
I've never been to Iran myself. I'd love to go. The food is wonderful, the girls are beautiful and the people gregarious. If only they could get rid of the mullahs! |
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scot47
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| It is the crazed evangelical baptist loonies runing the USA that worry me. |
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johnslat
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| If you really want to worry, think about Pakistan rather than Iran. The "Land of the Pure" already has the bomb, a flash-point feud with neighboring India, and probably the highest concentration of religious fanatics (or, to use the technical term, whackos) per capita in the world. |
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Cleopatra
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| The thought of ''lunocracies'' like Iran having nuclear weapons is alarming. |
Let me first note that, as I've said, there is no evidence that Iran is in the process of gaining nuclear weapons, a point which you - unsurprisingly - choose to ignore. Besides, this whole 'mad mullahs' line just doesn't wash - convenient though it of course is to those whose 'knowledge' of the region is limited to 'axis of evil' soundbites. Those of us who have been following the region closely for years, however, are of course aware that the Iranian regime, despicable though it is in many ways, is highly pragmatic. Witness their 2003 offer - rejected outright by the sane dude of the Bush administration - to reach a 'grand bargain' with the US, all issues on the table. Were the Iranian government not so realistic and cautious, it's hard to see how they would have survived this long with so many powerful enemies, both internal and external.
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| I've met Iranians who long to return to their homeland but won't until the vile regime is removed. |
Of course they won't. Maybe the next time you talk about pistachio nuts with one of these 'beautiful' and oh-so-liberal 'girls', you might like to ask her what her daddy did under the 'vile regime' of the Shah.
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| I've never been to Iran myself. I'd love to go. |
So go. The time you've spent in the Gulf indicates clearly that you're not at all averse to visiting - and living - in countries with 'vile regimes'. You might even meet some Iranians who aren't embittered pro-Pahlavi emigrees, and learn that a country of 70 million can't be summed up by the easy rhetoric of the Daily Telegraph or Iranians who've never been to Iran.
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| probably the highest concentration of religious fanatics (or, to use the technical term, whackos) per capita in the world. |
I'm wondering how you came to that conclusion. Others might be more worried about countries that have actually used the bomb. |
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lall
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: Ruining |
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| It is the crazed evangelical baptist loonies runing the USA that worry me. |
Ruinin' would be "apter"!
Despite the Indian government's desire to go in for the nuclear deal and the elitist (?) desire to migrate to the US, the average man on the street views the US with distrust.
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scot47
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I think we should be more scared of the loonies in Washington and the hardliners in Tel Aviv ! |
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