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matko



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

About the bicycle paths at crosswalks, why even have them when NOBODY uses them. Maybe they are there for legal reasons ie. If I hit someone in the bike path they are at fault and vice versa. Who knows Rolling Eyes

Also, the way they turn a blind corner is baffling! They don't slow down, don't look and take the sharpest angle possible! I wonder how many people have been seriously hurt or killed by this manouver. Shocked
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TokyoLiz



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Location: Tokyo, Japan

PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 12:31 am    Post subject: Bicycle woes installment number 2 Reply with quote

Here's the latest in my bicycle tale...

I've parked on the lot for the past week without paying. I showed the parking attendant the form, explained that I couldn't read the instructions, and that I would happily pay. He was all apologetic and laughed.

This morning, I couldn't believe it. I pulled up to the parking lot at 620 to find the lights blazing in the attendant's booth, 5 old guys smoking nervously, and I paid them 100 yen to park for the day.

Dude, they never opened the parking booth before...Is this special treatment for the scary gaijin lady?!?

So my mountain bike is sitting there with an official-looking daily parking tag. I'm finally legit.
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fat_chris



Joined: 10 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TokyoLiz,

Maybe it is special treatment for you but you will have to repay them with free lessons in Japanglish now.

Wink

I am still reeling from that post in which you introduced me to Japanglish. I am familiar with Chinglish and was hoping to get out of the Asian+English hybrid language business. Fat_chance for fat_chris!

Have a good one.
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vash3000



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uhh...

Bicycles are communal property in Japan...aren`t they?

This is actually a serious question. In my previous rice village, my fellow worker had three bikes stolen before he figured it out.

No one actually buys a bicycle...you just sort of pass them around.

Am I wrong here?

Cheers!
V3K
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shmooj



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you're right vash but this applies to lots of places in the world. Certainly the UK where I lost my bike twice both times chained up. At least in Japan, a lock seems to guarantee something most of the time. In the UK, I reckon you can sleep soundly as long as you've encased your bike in concrete first.
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foster



Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

personally, I think Bicycle Ettiquette in Japan is a HUGE oxymoron. Yeah, theft and what not seems to be a way to keep everyone biking and making it dangerous for the walkers.

I was hit by a car and almost lost a mouth full of teeth when some ijit rode straight into me.

Each to his own I say when biking in Japan.
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fox1



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey guys... 2 q's!

bike parking...: what's the situation like with parking in general, say, if you're stopping at a restaurant or a swimming pool or something.. (inotherwords, a place where you'll be away for an hour or so). Is it a simple affair? Do you pay...

bike stealing...: I'm not really worried about this, but is it common?

thanks Wink

oh yeah.. and license? do you need one (like in China for what it's worth). and where's the best place to get em? thank you!
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markle



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fox1 wrote:
hey guys... 2 q's!

bike parking...: what's the situation like with parking in general, say, if you're stopping at a restaurant or a swimming pool or something.. (inotherwords, a place where you'll be away for an hour or so). Is it a simple affair? Do you pay...

bike stealing...: I'm not really worried about this, but is it common?

thanks Wink

oh yeah.. and license? do you need one (like in China for what it's worth). and where's the best place to get em? thank you!


Most places have somewhere to park your bike but there are suprisingly few bike racks which brings me to the second question.
Bicycle theft is rampant or I should say bicycle borrowing is rampant but then you should see the locks they use to lock up with I jimmied a friend's off in a minute with a screwdriver. I mean I saw a Cannondale MTB easily $2500 worth cabled to a post in a Kyoto street at night with a cable I could get thru in 10 seconds and a pair of nail clippers. No if you lock up with a half decent D lock or braided cable you shouldn't have any probs.

Licence?
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David W



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fox1 wrote:
hey guys... 2 q's!

bike parking...: what's the situation like with parking in general, say, if you're stopping at a restaurant or a swimming pool or something.. (inotherwords, a place where you'll be away for an hour or so). Is it a simple affair? Do you pay...

bike stealing...: I'm not really worried about this, but is it common?

thanks Wink

oh yeah.. and license? do you need one (like in China for what it's worth). and where's the best place to get em? thank you!

No license needed. As for parking, you should preferably place your bike where it's going to be in the way of the most amount of people. Doorways are best. This seems to be what the Japanese do.
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osakajojo



Joined: 15 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Doubling.... I'm guilty!

Texting while riding .... Guilty!

Riding down the middle of the wrong side of the road ... Guilty!
same here. When in Rome.
And as far as stealing, or borrowing.... I don't anymore, but for a year I lived about a 20 min walk from the station and whenever my girlfriend and I would arrive on the last train, I'd have my bike parked near the station in a huge parking area. So that we could make it to my home quicker, we would almost always find an unlocked bike for her to "borrow" for the night. She would ride back to the same parking spot at 7:00 a.m. on her way to work and put it back. She probably took 8 or so bikes, but always returned them. And she is Japanese! I use to have a spare but it would get stolen. In fact, I had 3 bicycles stolen, none of them cost more than 3000 yen.
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craven



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone have any experiences with the cops riding your bike while (severely) intoxicated? I had one drunken night that ended up with me going ass over tea kettle onto the sidewalk just as a patrol car was going by. The officers came back, asked if I was ok, then sent me on my way without checking my gajin card or anything! It was mystifying...I must get ID checked at least once a month.
Anyway, I'd heard it was technically illegal to ride while drunk...

On another note, if anyone knows a really great way to shout "Watch where you're fvck@@g going" at the kids riding blindly into you while checking their ketai I'd love to hear it. I ride a solid mountain bike though, with metal handgrips up over the handles so I can side swipe someone and not hurt my hands!
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J.



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 1:53 am    Post subject: Yeah, I second that. Reply with quote

Anyone with J language skills that can tell us that one? Right now I usually resort to an audible "Kyotsukete", which I think means "watch out" in this context. Another one I'd really like to know is how to say, "Turn on your light". I drive at night and it always freaks me out when someone looms up out of nowhere and we barely avoid disaster. One thing about driving in Japan, it's great for adrenaline junkies.
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bshabu



Joined: 03 Apr 2003
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Location: Kumagaya

PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

craven wrote:
"Watch where you're fvck@@g going"!


J. wrote:
Anyone with J language skills that can tell us that one? Right now I usually resort to an audible "Kyotsukete", which I think means "watch out" in this context.


Actually, "Watch where you're fvck@@g going" in English works quit well Wink
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cevanne



Joined: 03 Mar 2005
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Location: Osaka, Japan

PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm yes bike theft does seem to be quite rampant and defy the usually honest Japanese demeanor. I know many people who have lost their bike, and not necessarily nice ones either. It doesn't seem to matter if it's new or old, bikes get 'borrowed' frequently. In Osaka, someone told me that if your bike gets stolen, you just take another one.

I am also guilty of doubling. We only had one bike when we arrived in Japan and doubled everywhere until we bought another bike. I also tried riding with my umbrella the other day. Turned out mostly allright except I nearly collided with an obasan while rounding the corner. They really do seem to have no rules whatsoever for bike riding. And they travel in possies straight at you. 3 or 4 of them will be coming towards you riding right next to each other and magically expect you to fly over them? I'm not sure what they're thinking, but they won't move over! Evil or Very Mad

I tried the keitai thing and decided it wasn't worth the effort. Far too abunai for me! Shocked Once, I saw a guy doubling with his wife in the back, his baby in the front, on his cellphone. I'm really not sure how they do it!!
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Gordon



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cevanne wrote:
Once, I saw a guy doubling with his wife in the back, his baby in the front, on his cellphone. I'm really not sure how they do it!!


Probably on a family bed.
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