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WhatsGrammar?
Joined: 05 Jun 2008 Posts: 54
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: Tianjin International School-Job offer. How much can I save? |
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I have been offered a position at this International School. Married accomodation, utilities included. Free education for my son.
Salary, 20,200 RMB per month ( after tax )
I know that cost of living is cheap(er) in China. My wife is a homebody, always has been. We like to eat out as a family at local restaurants. Maybe the odd McDonalds treat for the son. My wife does not drink and I like an occasional beer at the weekends when I am not working the next day.
Throw in a couple of trips to visit places every month. Forbidden city, mountains, wall of China etc.
Realistically...........we are hoping to save quite a bit but what would you say is a reasonable amount to live on each month?
Thanks in advance for any replies. |
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flutterbayou

Joined: 01 Apr 2006 Posts: 244
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject: good wage in Tıanjin |
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It is a good wage, especially if housing is included.
Be sure to read the fine print: this salary should be good from the start and not after any shady probationary period.
Check out escape clauses... and find out what sort of free schooling they are offering your child. International schools are expensive.
I left China last year and they say that inflation has struck hard across the boards, but 20,000 is quite acceptable.
Good luck.
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Orrin
Joined: 02 Apr 2005 Posts: 206 Location: Zhuhai, China
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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I have recently been offered, and accepted a uni gig for 17000/mo. in Zhuhai; a city of about 1.5million people. I don't get any housing or utility allowances, but I get the whole month of July off with pay as well as all the Chinese holidays. Even after rent, utilities and taxes, I still have five figures to work with every month.
These jobs are out there, but it takes some time, effort and a bit of personal networking to find and land them. |
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WhatsGrammar?
Joined: 05 Jun 2008 Posts: 54
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies so far guys.
Holidays are 50 days a year. Its an English curriculum school.
I,ve had pics of the accomodation, 3 bed apartment. Looks fine.
Cost of living though will allow to save a good bit every month? |
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nickpellatt
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 1522
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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I have just left China with some money in my pocket...not a fortune though. But I was earning just under 4000 yuan per month!
On that salary, I was still eating out twice a day, and often paying for my GF.
I would travel 3 weekends out of 5, and again pay for the GF...and I still managed to bring save two months salary between march and june |
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lingcod
Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 6
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:06 am Post subject: |
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You should be able to save 12-15000 depending on your level of frugality and the amount of travel. Expect some start-up costs at the beginning such as oven and general home supplies. |
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eslstudies

Joined: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 1061 Location: East of Aden
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:44 am Post subject: |
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The salary is low IF it's a genuine international school running accredited foreign curriculum. Check websites for international schools if in doubt.
http://www.english-schools.org/china/shanghai-american-school.htm
However, as commented, good accommodation and a salary that should let you save 50%. Not a fortune, but not to be sneezed at.
All these schools will work you to the bone however, which is why many of us choose Chinese universities at a third the salary and a third the work. |
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Mister Al

Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 840 Location: In there
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Which city is the school in? (Doh! I see now)
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WhatsGrammar?
Joined: 05 Jun 2008 Posts: 54
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:16 am Post subject: |
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Its in Tianjin.
Thanks for the replies so far.
As far as Universities go, I,m not after a cushy life and the 1/3rd pay. After working in a UK curriculum anything under 30 contact hours is a blessing.  |
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flutterbayou

Joined: 01 Apr 2006 Posts: 244
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject: Tianjin |
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The Chinese don't like to over-schedule their teachers (except at language schools).
Most universities offer a basic 13-16 hour contract and only the joint venture programs with full day schedules ask for a full work week as we know it in the West.
A family of three can live nicely on the salary you mentioned and I think the one poster who said it was not a great salary was not being friendly.
Many of the teachers who post at Dave's work for less than 25% of that and get by.
I think you can save more than half of what you earn and still have a good time seeing the sites and maintaining the home comfortably.
Food is cheap, tailor-made clothing is cheap, and having a treat at McDonald's will get old after awhile because the food in China is a cultural highlight for many of us.
Hope you have a great time. |
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Orrin
Joined: 02 Apr 2005 Posts: 206 Location: Zhuhai, China
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:57 am Post subject: |
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Being "unfriendly"? I don't think so. 20K+ is a very good salsry in just about any Chinese city (perhaps with the exception of HK). Cheers and beers to the OP. |
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flutterbayou

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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:54 am Post subject: Tianjin salary |
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My mention of an unfriendly poster refers to the one who wrote in that it was not a good salary.
Of course, it is a very nice salary, even with dependents!
As the man says, Cheers and Beers to the job winner in Tianjin.  |
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DistantRelative
Joined: 19 Oct 2004 Posts: 367 Location: Shaanxi/Xian
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:24 am Post subject: |
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The salary is low IF it's a genuine international school running accredited foreign curriculum. |
Might help if you didn't misquote what "eslstudies" said.
Comparing what "most" of us do to the ops job offer is like comparing apples to oranges.
Fact is, the majority of of us "teaching" here (myself included ) wouldn't be qualified, or considered for one of these positions.
Zhuhao,
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The_Hanged_Man

Joined: 10 Oct 2004 Posts: 224 Location: Tbilisi, Georgia
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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The OP's salary is fine for a genuine international school. There are now literally dozens of international schools in China and not all of them pay the big bucks. Shanghai American is more or less the top American school in China, and is recognized as a leader in the the region.
I know a couple at a my old school in Kuwait who are heading there in the fall and they were stoked, and I was a bit envious when they were describing the pay and benefits. However, they both had over 10 years of experience, had M.Eds, taught AP courses, and were heads of of their departments at my school. To get a job at the big dog schools you need to be a big dog yourself.
The school in Shenzhen where I will be starting at offers a very similar package to the OP's. Maybe after a few more years experience and a Masters degree I will be ready for a school like SAS or ESF in HK, but at the moment I am content with my position. |
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eslstudies

Joined: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 1061 Location: East of Aden
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:24 am Post subject: Re: Tianjin |
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flutterbayou wrote: |
A family of three can live nicely on the salary you mentioned and I think the one poster who said it was not a great salary was not being friendly.
Many of the teachers who post at Dave's work for less than 25% of that and get by.
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Friendly? What's that got to do with honesty? Since when has "getting by" been a criteria for a decent job?
A genuine International School will pay quite a lot more than that offered to the OP. In return, he'll get worked like he would in a school back home. Proper teachers can handle this.
BTW, I'm interested in how salaries in China either remain the same, or actually drop! It's not like there's no inflation. |
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