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Rooster_2006
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 Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject: Penalty for Working Outside Your Sector |
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| Let's say I get an instructor's visa to teach English, and also work at a ski resort. I'm caught by the Japanese immigration police working at a ski resort without the appropriate visa. Would I be deported, or just fined? |
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AgentMulderUK
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:46 am Post subject: |
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Sounds naughty to me, unless your ski company can say you are teaching English as part of the job.
I got told once that I couldn't take an ALT job as I had the usual Specialist in Humanities visa, whereas I would need an Instructors visa
This page is quite informative:
www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/visa/04.html |
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BobbyBan
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:03 am Post subject: Re: Penalty for Working Outside Your Sector |
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| Rooster_2006 wrote: |
| Let's say I get an instructor's visa to teach English, and also work at a ski resort. I'm caught by the Japanese immigration police working at a ski resort without the appropriate visa. Would I be deported, or just fined? |
I don't know what they would do but I guess they would treat it no differently to other kinds of visa fraud.
If you apply to immigration then they will almost certainly grant you a certificate that permits you to "engage in activities outside of visa status" (or something like that). You have to do this quite a bit in advance, it may take about two months to come through, and I believe you should give the name of the company and some kind of identification of them but you don't have to pay anything. |
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Glenski
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BobbyBan
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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Ha ha! I knew it was called something long and bureacratic like that!
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| Application for Permission to Engage in Activity other than that Permitted under the Status of Residence Previously Granted |
I've done it before and it was not difficult. You also don't have to pay anything but be careful because when you get the postcard telling you that your Permission to Engage in Activity other than that Permitted under the Status of Residence Previously Granted has been granted then you will be asked to bring along a 3000 yen stamp. You don't actually need this. It's free! |
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ripslyme
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| BobbyBan wrote: |
Ha ha! I knew it was called something long and bureacratic like that!
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| Application for Permission to Engage in Activity other than that Permitted under the Status of Residence Previously Granted |
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omg, that form title is awesome.  |
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Rooster_2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Are you serious that I can come to Japan, work initially on an instructor's visa, and then, just by submitting a form to immigration, add a non-English-teaching-related job to my legal list of jobs, all within Japan and without having to make a visa run or possess a master's degree?
Man, one thing's for sure -- Japan is NOT Korea... 
Does the job in the new sector have to sponsor this change, or can I just go alone to the immigration office and do it without troubling the business I want to work at? This would greatly increase my ability to get employed in things other than English teaching, that's why I ask. |
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BobbyBan
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Rooster_2006 wrote: |
| Does the job in the new sector have to sponsor this change, or can I just go alone to the immigration office and do it without troubling the business I want to work at? This would greatly increase my ability to get employed in things other than English teaching, that's why I ask. |
The Ministry of Justice link is very eccentrically translated and slighty misleading but make note of the requirements:
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Application form 1copy
A document material that proves the intended activity as indicated on the application form 1copy
Passport and alien registration card
A document that proves the status (if an agent submits the application form on behalf of the applicant)
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I believe that the requirement I highlighted refers to a proof of your employer and what employment you intend to do. Generally speaking you would have to provide, for example, a brochure of the company you want to work for (technically, you would have to do this on an instructor's visa if you also want to work for an eikaiwa company) or a letter from them with the company's name and address. I think your best bet is to have the ski resort call immigration to find out what documents they would need to provide.
I know that your certificate will have the company name on it so it is not simply a case of getting this piece of paper and then being eligible to work for anyone you want. It is specific to that employer, in this case to your ski resort.
Of course, I don't speak for Japanese immigration and what they decide is final, but you'll probably find that it is at worst a time-consuming affair.
Let us know how you get on. |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Rooster_2006 wrote: |
| Are you serious that I can come to Japan, work initially on an instructor's visa, and then, just by submitting a form to immigration, add a non-English-teaching-related job to my legal list of jobs, all within Japan and without having to make a visa run or possess a master's degree? |
No. It means you can apply for such a position. There are no guarantees you will be granted this permission.
The link I provided shows the following caveat:
Screening criteria: The intended activity does not interfere with the activity permitted with the current status of residence and is regarded as appropriate.
BTW, what does a master's degree have to do with working at a ski resort? That was the outside job you were looking at, right?
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| Does the job in the new sector have to sponsor this change, or can I just go alone to the immigration office and do it without troubling the business I want to work at? |
Have you looked at the form I linked? You will, of course, have to list the proposed new place of employment and its address, but other than that, nothing more is required. |
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Apsara
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:03 am Post subject: |
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| You will, of course, have to list the proposed new place of employment and its address, but other than that, nothing more is required. |
other than, of course, the document mentioned by BobbyBan... |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:08 am Post subject: |
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You will, of course, have to list the proposed new place of employment and its address, but other than that, nothing more is required.
other than, of course, the document mentioned by BobbyBan... |
And mentioned in the link by me, of course.  |
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