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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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What's up with that? Don't they use capitol letters very much in Spanish?
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Compared to English, Spanish doesn't use capital letters as much. For example, adjectives of nationality, names of languages, months and days of the week do not begin with capital letters. |
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hlamb
Joined: 09 Dec 2003 Posts: 431 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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They also just use commas to put sentences together, they never seem to use periods except at the end of a page, it's very irritating to mark, they don't write in Spanish much, that I can see, they don't learn good punctuation or writing skills in their first language, it's hard for them to have god skills in English, even people with a masters or PhD here seem to have trouble with it.
Whew! It's hard to write like that! |
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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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They also just use commas to put sentences together, they never seem to use periods except at the end of a page, it's very irritating to mark, they don't write in Spanish much, that I can see, they don't learn good punctuation or writing skills in their first language, it's hard for them to have god skills in English, even people with a masters or PhD here seem to have trouble with it.
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While it's true that the average sentence in Spanish is longer than its English equivalent, it's also true that many Mexicans never seem to have been taught how to write properly in their own language. |
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FuzzX
Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 122
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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...you like Banda
...you've been to a Belanova concert
...you know who Cafe Tacuba are and where they're from
...you've been there
...you hate the word 'propina'
...you know that winnie the pooh sounds better in Spanish and that he sounds like a dirty old man to mexicans in english
...you burn cockroaches with a lighter
...you hate other expats
...you only like other expats
...you start using the 'us' and 'them' to describe english speakers vs mexicans
...you include your mexican spouse in the 'us' part of your rant
...you've seen at least 1 UFO
...you wonder how anything gets done in mexico at all
...you wonder if all students suffer from chronic lateness
...you play HALO in your spare time
...you think 20+ pesos is expensive for a cab ride
...you eat at comida corrida and take your folks there when they visit you
...you BECOME cheap
...you wonder why mexicans hate fat gringos and not fat mexicans
...your inlaws inform you that you are a nice person but 'not for my daughter'
...you learn about racism
...you are charged a special gringo price
...you never get your correct change back from a walmart cashier
...you miss mustard
...you speak & spell better spanish then most mexicans |
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Jetgirly

Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 741
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| MO39 wrote: |
| hlamb wrote: |
They also just use commas to put sentences together, they never seem to use periods except at the end of a page, it's very irritating to mark, they don't write in Spanish much, that I can see, they don't learn good punctuation or writing skills in their first language, it's hard for them to have god skills in English, even people with a masters or PhD here seem to have trouble with it.
Whew! It's hard to write like that! |
While it's true that the average sentence in Spanish is longer than its English equivalent, it's also true that many Mexicans never seem to have been taught how to write properly in their own language. |
I had to include a minimum number of sentences in every assignment. I would have thought that supposedly "bilingual" students would understand the concept of a sentence. About 20% interpreted "sentences" to mean "lines" in their first assignment. So, I re-defined sentence for them. I showed them examples of sentences and non-sentences. We worked together to fix run-on sentences and comma splices. And they still handed in sentences with 200+ words. I received one assignment that had the word "so" thirteen times (I think that's what I counted... it's been a while and I'm too lazy to re-count now) in one sentence. It went a little something like:
The prince and the witch were allies, so the real journey was beginning so they were in the house of the witch because Yvaine was with her so when the witch will kill her the prince arrived in the house, so she can�t kill her, when Tristan knew that the witch wants the star to kill her, he run to the house were they, so he can get out with Yvaine, when he was in the house he fight with the witch, when the he was wining Tristan get out with the help of the Babylon Candle that his father give him to translated whenever he want only thinking in the place that he want to be in that moment, so they used it and both of them think in hiz house but the bad thing is that Yvaine think in the sky, because the sky was his house, so they appeared in a clound, and in a sorpraisly way they were capted by a pirate, this pirate was very good so he helped them arrived in land, when they arrived in land they divided in two ways so Ivaine go with the princess and unfurtunally they are both captured by Lamia and taken back to The Lilim�s castle, Yvaine to be kill and Una to be a servant, but Tristan adn Septimus fight with the two witches, so septimus kill Mormo one of the witches, but Lamia killes septimus so Tristan have to fight with Lamia so Yvaine can be liberated, but the witch try to destried them and let them go, but when they were going the batch witch close all the windows and the doors so they can go, but during the battle Yvaine knowing that Tristan really loves her, is able to unlease a powerful wave of lingth that killes Lamia.
And that's AFTER I tidied up the spelling and grammar! And no, the assignment was NOT a plot summary! |
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wildchild

Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 519 Location: Puebla 2009 - 2010
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:36 am Post subject: |
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so what was the assignment?
anyway. I'd like to see you do half as well writing in Spanish (or your foreign language of choice)  |
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GueroPaz
Joined: 07 Sep 2007 Posts: 216 Location: Thailand or Mexico
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:45 am Post subject: |
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| My intermediate students are relieved to know there is a coordinating conjunction besides and, or, so. Also, they can end one sentence with a full stop. Furthermore, they can begin the next sentence without "so." "Therefore"explains why the new sentence is there for. "However" starts a sentence better than "but" does. Finally, "well" is nearly equal to pues, sometimes. Well, I think it is, anyway. |
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hlamb
Joined: 09 Dec 2003 Posts: 431 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, it's true that most of my students can't and don't write in Spanish, so expecting them to do it well in English is a bit of a stretch. But even those who should know how to write (PhD students for example), have trouble. I've seen plenty of sentences like Jetgirly's example. The good news is that they can learn to do better, but it takes a lot of time and practice. |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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1) You realize that washing the dishes in a bowl in the sink and bathing in a tub (i.e. in both cases washing in the dirt you're trying to remove) in not exactly hygenic when you've been doing it all your live and it never occured to you before.
2) You miss having carpets in the living room (we have them in bedrooms, thank God!)
3) You use American English (realize (above)) when you're British. |
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TheLongWayHome

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 1016 Location: San Luis Piojosi
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| 3) You use American English (realize (above)) when you're British. |
Or you use American English to be understood! I still haven't met a student that can understand, 'where there were' together in a British accent. |
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JimT
Joined: 17 Jul 2008 Posts: 3 Location: (ex) SLP
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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...you prefer to stand on the bus rather than sit inside someone else
...you bring booze to a kid's birthday party
...you met someone 10 minutes ago and haven't yet been invited to their cousin's wedding / kid's confirmation / sister's quince anos. You wonder what you've done wrong
...after heavy rain, you take off your shoes, roll up your trousers to your knees and wade across the highway to get to work
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