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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Just to throw in my 2 cents, I came to Mexico with zero Spanish, and therefore although I had the advantage of a Mexican fianc�e, later wife, we had to speak English. When people ask me what we speak at home, I tell them that we still speak mainly English, because at what stage can you say, "Now let's change to Spanish"?
I have been in Mexico nearly 7 years, and more or less speak fluently despite the aforementioned facts and the fact I've been working in English. I took 3 years of lessons (just 2hrs per week), which equipped me well for understanding grammar but I think the rest came simply from the desire to become fluent. As I tell my students, you've got to want to, or else all the lessons in the world won't get you anywhere.
All in all, I have learnt more Spanish in those 7 years, than I learnt French in 30 years of study, so for sure, if the desire is there, you have a great opportunity by living in a country where the language is spoken. |
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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Phil, you've hit the nail on the head when you mention desire - I've always thought that that was the key to learning anything, especially a new language. What's always set my successful students apart from the ones that never seem to improve is some sort of deep-seated motivation for learning the language. |
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hlamb
Joined: 09 Dec 2003 Posts: 431 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I arrived in Mexico a bit over three years ago, with no Spanish. I studied French in school and that has helped me with the grammar but hindered me in terms of pronunciation. I took a one month intensive course (six hours and day and living with a family) before starting to teach. I'm probably a low intermediate level speaker. When I put my mind to it, I do ok, but most of the time I exist in English. Most of my Mexican friends like to practice their English with me when we're out together and whileI protest and insist on speaking in Spanish, it doesn't usually last that long. Part of it is lack of motivation. I speak well enough to get by and don't feel the need to do better. Also, I am returning to Canada soon and Spanish really isn't important there, not like it is in the US. If anything, I should take up French again. So teaching and learning can coexist, but you have to really want it and be willing to put in a lot of extra effort. |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| That seems like a wasted opportunity to me - three years to add another string to your bow. While the world and his wife is bilingual, any opportunity to become trilingual or more should be taken advantage of. |
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hlamb
Joined: 09 Dec 2003 Posts: 431 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Phil_K wrote: |
| That seems like a wasted opportunity to me - three years to add another string to your bow. While the world and his wife is bilingual, any opportunity to become trilingual or more should be taken advantage of. |
Perhaps some people might see it that way. But what I've gained from this experience is far more valuable than just the ability to speak a language fluently. |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Fair enough! A chacun son gout (can't find the circumflex!) |
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TheLongWayHome

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 1016 Location: San Luis Piojosi
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Desire is important. It just annoyed me so much not understanding people, TV (though I wish I still didn't understand Mexican TV!) and not being able to give my opinion or ask for things.
Luckily I can learn just by listening so after about a year I was fairly fluent. I hadn't studied before coming here but I've had a lot of exposure, coming here to be with my wife. |
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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| TheLongWayHome wrote: |
Luckily I can learn just by listening so after about a year I was fairly fluent. I hadn't studied before coming here but I've had a lot of exposure, coming here to be with my wife. |
You're very fortunate to have the ability to pick up a language just by being exposed to it! Did you have a second language before coming to Mexico? |
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MELEE

Joined: 22 Jan 2003 Posts: 2583 Location: The Mexican Hinterland
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Like Phil, I've found it nearly impossible to change the language I speak to my spouce, once the relationship is established, it's established. But we are on the opposite side. I came to Mexico with pretty decent Spanish, though I had mainly South American vocab and was surpised by the number of words I had to learn (mostly regarding food). I met my husband here and when we met, he had only just started learning English. He now can hold his own pretty well in English (got 580 on the old style TOEFL, and passed an unofficial CAE exam) and I'm pretty much equally comfortable using both langauges, there are certain topics I still perfer in English and other topics I actually struggle to find the English words for. It would really be better now if we spoke English as his need to keep up his English is much greater than my need to keep up my Spanish, but attempts to change have been unsuccessful.
As to the OP I have seen many teachers arrive with little or no Spanish, so are very successful and others leave with little or no Spanish--it's all about how actively you persue language study. |
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