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desert_traveller



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:57 am    Post subject: happy in saudi Reply with quote

as i am just gearing myself up for my grand return to the kingdom, i thought we could share a few less obvious things that we like about the kingdom. yeah yeah, money, we all know that, moderate workload etc, but i also liked

+ cheap, homestyle, freshly prepared proper meals of outstanding quality and quantity from smaller asian and african restaurants. i like my stomach

+ space. i am from a country that has seemingly run out of space. there is so much space in the ksa. and it is easy to get out of town, find a quiet spot and relax. driving 200km without seeing a house was always an experience to me

+ driving. say whatever you want, driving there thrilled me so much that after a while it became one of our top entertainments just to go out to the roads and drive around. better than any action movie or comedy on tv and totally real

+ weather. can get hot, yeah, but i like that. no fear of getting cold (apart from a few days in the winter). clothing problems solved. can wear slippers 10 or 11 months a year. isnt that fantastic?

+ lack of (images of) brazenly dressed women everywhere. say whatever you want, i believe on the long term it has a good effect on men. have some peace of mind. i love women who dress modestly. before you ask, i am non-muslim, non-retired, totally straight and a great admirer of the female form Wink

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scot47



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KSA is a well-kept secret. I hope it stays that way.
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Mia Xanthi



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Location: why is my heart still in the Middle East while the rest of me isn't?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with you, especially about the modestly dressed women. After just a short time at home this summer, I am sick of seeing both males and females walking around with their underwear sticking out. It is nice to see clothing with color again, but most people in the US just do not have bodies so attractive that they should be constantly on display.

Oddly enough, I miss wearing the abaya, too. It is strange to feel so exposed again. The abaya is a pain during the hot months, but most of the year it is a very convenient garment to have on hand.

I agree with desert traveler and scot 47 - there are a lot of good things about Saudi Arabia, if people can just work through the hostility engendered by the culture shock.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear desert_traveller,
Wow - a refreshing point of view. My only quibble (purely subjective, mind you) would be that happy might be a tad too strong.
But I was almost always content.
Regards,
John
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007



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mia Xanthi wrote:
Oddly enough, I miss wearing the abaya, too.

Well, teta Mia, I do not think that Uncle Sam will object if you want to wear an abaya in his land! Just try it and you will see for yourself. Laughing

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It is strange to feel so exposed again. The abaya is a pain during the hot months, but most of the year it is a very convenient garment to have on hand.

Well, there are special abayas for summer, teta Mia, why don't you try them? I am sure you will feel confortable with them.

desert traveller wrote:
have some piece of mind.

Piece of mind?
Do you mean that when the drugs in the blood are high, your mind is in little pieces? Or you mean you don't have peace of mind because you are in pieces? Laughing
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desert_traveller



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

007 wrote:
desert traveller wrote:
have some piece of mind.

Piece of mind?
Do you mean that when the drugs in the blood are high, your mind is in little pieces? Or you mean you don't have peace of mind because you are in pieces? Laughing


what are you talking about ??? Laughing Wink
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The naughty numerical is teasing you. He wishes to display the fact that unlike many native speakers he knows the difference between 'piece' and 'peace'.

He is, in short, showung off.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure 007's also more comfortable in his lightweight, summer abayah, too, and therefore qualified to give advice on the issue:)
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sheikh radlinrol



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mia Xanthi wrote:

Oddly enough, I miss wearing the abaya, too.

Mia, if you miss your abaya so much why not take it with you on your next trip to the States? You won't be arrested for wearing it in San Francisco or New Orleans.
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with the general tone of the OP: I'll be the first to say that KSA is most definately not for everybody (and that everybody is not for KSA!) but provided you have the 'right' personality, life style and expectations, KSA can be a perfectly pleasant place to live and work.


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happy might be a tad too strong.
But I was almost always content.


But what do we mean when we say we're 'happy'? "Happiness" sounds simple enough to define, but I'm not at all sure that it is. If by "happy" we mean constantly brimming with the joys of life and jumping out of bed each morning, then I can't say consistently I'm 'happy' here - or have been anywhere else for that matter. I think that 'contentment' is probably the best most of us can ask for on a day to day basis.

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The abaya is a pain during the hot months, but most of the year it is a very convenient garment to have on hand.


I agree. Not only is the abaya convenient, it can also be very elegant.
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sheikh radlinrol



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cleopatra wrote:
I'll be the first to say that KSA is most definately not for everybody (and that everybody is not for KSA!)


And I DEFINITELY agree!
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sheikh radlinrol



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
The naughty numerical is teasing you. He wishes to display the fact that unlike many native speakers he knows the difference between 'piece' and 'peace'.

He is, in short, showung off.


And why not? We are English teachers, aren't we? I was going to give this Desert Traveller fellow a ''piece of my mind'' but our great friend 007 did it for me.
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007



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sheikh radlinrol wrote:
Cleopatra wrote:
I'll be the first to say that KSA is most definately not for everybody (and that everybody is not for KSA!)


And I DEFINITELY agree!

Well, I will be the first and the last to say that Saudi Arabia is most absolutely for Saudis (and Saudis are definitely for the magic kingdom)! Laughing
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Mark100



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was relatively happy in KSA and so were many others that i worked with but everyone i met or knew was always in a big hurry to get to the airport come holiday time or end of contract.

Even those that had been in KSA 20 plus years with lots of friends and a life well entrenced never lingered when it came time for the final exit.

There is always a gnawing feeling when in Saudi that you would rather be somewhere else.
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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everyone i met or knew was always in a big hurry to get to the airport come holiday time or end of contract.


Sure, but is that not always the case? Everyone loves holidays and if you've decided to end your contract, by definition that means you've had enough, no matter where in the world you are.

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There is always a gnawing feeling when in Saudi that you would rather be somewhere else


Well, with the possible exception of some very conservative Muslims, KSA is nobody's dream destination. However, few of us ever get to live out our dreams! When I look at the whole picture - standard of living, work/life balance, freedom to pursue my own interests etc - then to be honest, I cannot think of many places which meet my needs as fully as KSA. Obviously, if I could have similar earning potentials and standard of living in, say, Rome, I'd be in Rome. But I can't. Of course, like everyone I have made, and do make, some considerable sacrificies to live here, but on the whole I feel I have a pretty good life in Riyadh.
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