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vikuk
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| NONE of us have the power to change this stuff... |
That stuff is made up of EFL jobs. if you negotiate a better deal for yourself then you have indeed made a change. if you advise other posters to fight for their rights - and they take up on your message - then change number two. If you advise posters to avoid bad employers - and they follow your advice - then I think we are powering through with change number three  |
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kungfucowboy83
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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NONE of us have the power to change this stuff...
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I do.
a school treats me unfairly i talk to them about it and make them adress the issue untill we reach a mutually agreeable solution.
a school offers an unacceptably low wage i either turn it down or negotiate it until it's good (or at least good enough).
a school treats me well i tell other people that i think the school is good. a school has big problems i let other people know.
If someone asks for an opinion on a job that offers imo an unacceptable low wage i tell them.
you get the idea change happens a little bit at a time like rain wearing away a boulder not like thor's hammer crashing down from asgard onto said boulder.
if you want to be taken advantage of (please note the "if" i have no idea if you do or not) then be my guest but i'll encourage everyone who wants to listen to improve their situation and not take that 3500 a month job working 20 classes a week. |
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Leon Purvis
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
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Location: Nowhere Near Beijing
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| kungfucowboy83 wrote: |
I agree it's a problem but not as big as you think. the kinds of places that pay 3500 a month for 20 classes a week don't care what kind of a teacher they get and don't expect anyone who works there to stay very long.
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There are some places that pay substantially more but still don't care what kind of "teacher" shows up. My last employer and fellow "teacher" are good examples. |
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vikuk
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| There are some places that pay substantially more but still don't care what kind of "teacher" shows up. My last employer and fellow "teacher" are good examples. |
so why don't you give us more details - to tell others about how this employer treats their teachers. Maybe if folk take your warning seriously, and give this job a wide berth - you'll also be helping to make a change.
And yes its not just about wages - since good jobs should mate up a decent salary with good conditions  |
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englishgibson
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this thread resembles the "bottom of the barrel" thread a bit to me
good conditions or salary ..or, both and only both 
would you teach in a real shite school with a real shite or no academic plan for good money? or, would you teach "the chinese way" if asked for good money? mayby i should just ask straight out how far would you bend over, but i don't wanna be offensive on here
cheers and beers to all kinds of approach to our work, abilities or flexibilities and earnings  |
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Orrin
Joined: 02 Apr 2005
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Location: Zhuhai, China
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| No! I would not teach in a "really shite school with no accademic plan". |
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Song&Dance
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I suggest that supply and demand has absolutely nothing to do with it.
China began recruiting native L1 English speakers only, When supply could not meet demand, wages did not go up. Demand was met with L2 non-native speakers who find 2,000 rmb more than adequate.
A Filipino who earns US$35 per month in her home country finds US$140 a windfall.
Remember, you are not the only game in town. |
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william wallace
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Hey, Song and Dance, I brought this up a few years ago, and it fell on deaf ears!! It blew me away that my post attracted 2-3 replies. In China L2 speakers of English are rampant,and as you said, that allows for a real surplus. You will even see L2 post about looking for work, and those postings do get to be quite long.I had stated before that a L2 with a high level of English(IELTS Band 8-9) would be more than welcome, though the non-systematic errors and limited idiomatic knowledge would short-change the student.However, the students aural ability is so limited that visually looking at a non-Asian would more than make up for language problems.
I'm back at a buxiban for the first time in 11 years, and I'd say 20-30% (more?) are not L1 English folks.
When my post was dismissed, I knew that that passivity was dooming salaries in China. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:52 am Post subject: Re: Teachers complaining about salaries |
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| Why do you always blame other teachers? Couldn't it possibly be because of supply/demand? |
Simple.
If some teachers didn't fall for the "Well, 3000 rmb goes a long way" lie, we would all be better off.
Look at South Korea for a perfect example of how high wages have gone up. Now they are near/passing 3 million won a month, and I am seriously considering going back. |
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william wallace
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Well Great Wall...after I get home(I think it was called Kanada?) and unwind for a couple of months it's Korea or Middle-East.  |
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