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North China Laowei
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 Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:19 am Post subject: See Below |
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I approached the director today to inform her of my intended departure and resignation from the school's FT position. She didn't take it well and made various comments re. canceling the visa that day and even calling the police. Like I said, she's a real charmer to deal with.
Both she and the recruiter seem to have an exclusive relationship and neither has been helpful in any way with providing info other than threatening bs. In a nutshell, they are trying to intimidate me into staying here - I won't let it happen.
Specifically, the director told me the visa will have exactly 10 days on it to allow me to 'take care of things'. Well, that's unreasonably short, imo, so I will have to rely on the new school's ability to assist me with 'taking care of things'. I have to say that the visa situation over here is making me dizzy right now, in addition to the stress of the ordeal.
I feel it's the right thing for me to leave since the school blatantly refused to abide by the contract (it was clearly broken), although nobody around ever admitted to breaking the contract. It's really because of this that I decided to leave the school. |
From previous information that you requested, I thought that you were in Shenyang. You did request the FAO inumbers in Shenyang which I provided you. I have had a little difficulty following the peripities of your recent travails but here goes. Most of this has been answered many times before on the Board.
1. Yes, they can cancel your visa or at least threaten you about it. Do not hand them your passport under any circumstances. It is much more difficult to cancel a resident permit without a passport than with a passport.
2. Next, the 10-day visa that they are talking about is an exit visa with a little note that says "must leave China" on it. The only way that this visa can enter your passport is if you hand them the passport.
3. Next, this is pure crap about 10 days, etc., etc. Even if you pull a runner, you have THIRTY days on your previous residence permit to obtain a new job, technically, and secure a new residence permit. That being said, and that being the technicalities of it, more often than not, you can simply eek out an existence on the remaining time on your previous residence permit without much fraught.
4. Next, even if you were to do the 30-day transfer process, if you cannot secure a job at the end of 30-days, more often than not, the PSB will very, very benignly extend this 30-day period transfer period and more often than not, it will be ignored.
5. Should your residence permit come to term, Shanghai PSB, will, provided you do not go beserk in their offices, issue you with a 30-day "F" non-renewable visa until your papers have been arranged, IF YOU CAN PROVE YOUR CASE. It is not guaranteed but it can and does happen and when I was having complications with my papers, that really turned out not to be complications, then they offered this solution on their own.
6. It is important that you have your new employer thoroughly "on board" with all of this. As someone said, I would put all of this mess that you made in their hands -- my new employer here willingly offered to arrange matters and they did.
7. Finally, all of these Pollyanna-types around here that do the "offer baiju, spend money", etc., etc., routine, well, it just doesn't work in the end. I have never, ever, ever, seen it work. And frankly, all of the people I know or have known in these years in China that have taken a "soft approach" at such a conjuncture have lost. Those that have played real hard ball, as Anda, and some others have suggested, have usually obtained what they wanted.
I worked with a couple (he was American, she was Dutch) at a university. They opted out of their contract at the end of December with a one-week notice (it was practically the end of term), The school did not pay them, it did not pay their airfare, it did not pay their RMB 1100 travel allowance -- no surprise there at all. HOWEVER, they created a huge fuss at the Foreign Experts' Bureau and they had the balls to create a huge fuss at the PSB, and the school was far from innocent, and in the end, the FEB ordered that they be paid all of these monies and they were paid, and they were even paid one extra month salary just to go away. So do not be Chamberlain 1939 and do not think this is Munich.
In any case, it may be worrisome for you for the next several weeks, but hey, you made your decision, now you need to go fight for it. |
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flutterbayou
Joined: 01 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:02 am Post subject: what would you do |
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I'm not sure whether the OP has broken his contract.
I was under the impression that he stuck it out and is now worried about getting the paperwork done right.
No Pollyannas writing from this box. I'm talking through 8 years of broad experience in China, thank you.
In China, you save face by respecting your employer, especially when it has done something wrong... and then you turn the ordeal over to your new employer to keep yourself clean.
The U.S. Navy has an expression to the wise:
"Never mud wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."
This is a general rule of life I follow, and has nothing to do with any race, creed, nor gender. But it is a good reason for sustaining your own dignity when others try to throw you off.
OKAAAAAAAAAAY, I've gone back to re-read the OP's most recent episode. Do not panic.
When you get to your next job, they will get things in motion immediately and when they do, that 10 day period will go in abeyance. The timer on your countdown will stop.
If I were in your shoes, I'd get to the new job fast and take care of grievances from a safe distance. |
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eddy-cool
Joined: 06 Jul 2008
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| It's getting tougher for laowai teachers to transfer to another employer; your ex has to be goaded into filling in a form provided by the PSB and signing it in two places (I guess the FAO and your immediate superior, for instance the Head of the FOreign Language Department); this form must then be submitted to your new employer. Also the Foreign Expert Certificate must be applied for by your new boss; if there is none you can write off your new job. |
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jeffinflorida
Joined: 22 Dec 2004
Posts: 2024
Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
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have some faith in your new school and hope, hope bigtime, that they are not pieces of crap like your old school.
The chinese are big on threats and promises and usually neither come true.
if your new school has been around awhile and they feel like helping you they can get you a new visa very quick. Regardless of what stink your old craphole puts up.
Some schools have good connections and use them when they want. |
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