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william wallace
Joined: 14 May 2003 Posts: 2869 Location: in between
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:37 am Post subject: |
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| it's not unusual in Beijing to see under qualifications...white. |
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SF21
Joined: 05 Jun 2007 Posts: 72 Location: California
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:04 am Post subject: |
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Wow @ some of ya'll cherry-picking and losing sight of the OP's plight.
Yo Kootvela, if you're gonna jack the man's post, please don't be so antagonistic and short-sighted about it. No need for a spin off. The brotha asked a legitimate question that many of hold close as a common denominator when considering making a move. Sorry to hear about the accent discrimination...but branding it as racist is really grasping for straws.
Anyway, eldavid87, if you happen to be interested in Central Europe, particularly Germany and Hungary, and need an opinion and info, PM me.
Peace. |
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Stephen Jones
Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 4124
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:46 am Post subject: |
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When we used to do phone interviews at Jubail the accent was the one thing we always were told to write about the accent when reporting on interviews with non-native speakers.
One one occasion the boss send back a recommendation to hire a Pakistani national somebody else had done and asked me to interview again and report on accent. I did and the person's accent was unacceptable. I later approached the South African colleague who had conducted the telephone interview and asked him why on earth he recommended him. "Well, I could understand him a lot better than that chappie we have from Glasgow!" |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Posts: 778 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:02 am Post subject: |
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I am looking for a country where I can live and teach and socialise without too much problem. I keep returning to Chile, but somewhere where there is a significant minority group and significant black population might be a safer option, especially socially.
I am still interested in Indonesia. |
I'd almost say Chile should be on the bottom of the list for Latin American countries. It's a very conservative country with very little exposure to much in the world, despite its recent economic progress. It always sounds good when reading about it, but I found it rather disappointing when I actually went there.
You might want to look into Lima, at least its a really fun city, and there are Japanese-Peruvians, African-Peruvians, and the entire spectrum of mestizo, european, indigeneous, etc.
Indonesia would be a good bet.
Why not look into Japan? The Japanese have a borderline obsession with black culture...and having anyone that represents that culture in any way is very popular and chic with the women. |
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Kootvela

Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 513 Location: Lithuania
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, a summer camp. Though I understand that there they want native speakers, but a) why not state that in advertisement b) why are we bragging about the communicative method so much? Isn't being understood a fact of a communicative teaching rather than parroting RP? Plus, there are so many dialects and accents apart from RP that most people face every day. |
Kootvela, don't complain. I have been turned down for jobs because my accent was not American enough and I am American
My accent has change since living abroad which I believe happens to some people. It might also be due to the lack of contact I usually have with other Americans in Korea and Taiwan. |
I suggest we open a rejected teachers club, then  |
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Kootvela

Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 513 Location: Lithuania
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| SF21 wrote: |
Wow @ some of ya'll cherry-picking and losing sight of the OP's plight.
Yo Kootvela, if you're gonna jack the man's post, please don't be so antagonistic and short-sighted about it. No need for a spin off. The brotha asked a legitimate question that many of hold close as a common denominator when considering making a move. Sorry to hear about the accent discrimination...but branding it as racist is really grasping for straws.
Anyway, eldavid87, if you happen to be interested in Central Europe, particularly Germany and Hungary, and need an opinion and info, PM me.
Peace. |
Sorry for hijacking the thread, I just wanted to expand the topic. |
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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Kootvela, don't complain. I have been turned down for jobs because my accent was not American enough and I am American
My accent has change since living abroad which I believe happens to some people. It might also be due to the lack of contact I usually have with other Americans in Korea and Taiwan. |
I find it strange that you were turned down for a job because your authentic American accent had changed a bit. After all, what is an authentic American accent? There are huge differences between the English spoken in NYC, Alabama, Chicago, and California; which accent were these employers looking (listening) for? |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| The point is that some Taiwanese people think that I don't sound like an American. I am not sure whether it is true or not. I was born in the United States and never left Canada or the United States until I was 20 years old. |
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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| The point is that some Taiwanese people think that I don't sound like an American. I am not sure whether it is true or not. I was born in the United States and never left Canada or the United States until I was 20 years old. |
I realize it's a problem for you, but the whole argument seems ridiculous to me! Who are these Taiwanese people who have declared themselves experts on what American English sounds like? How did they pick up this knowledge - from American movies, from TV shows, from music videos??!! |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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I realize it's a problem for you, but the whole argument seems ridiculous to me! Who are these Taiwanese people who have declared themselves experts on what American English sounds like? How did they pick up this knowledge - from American movies, from TV shows, from music videos??!! |
I didn't say that I think the argument is not ridiculous. Not to mention that almost no Taiwanese students pick up a native like accent from their English teachers. To hire someone for an accent is strange since few students really acquire a foreign accent. |
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phantombedwetter
Joined: 29 Nov 2007 Posts: 154 Location: Pikey infested, euro, cess-pit (Krakow)
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Wow @ some of ya'll cherry-picking and losing sight of the OP's plight.
Yo Kootvela, if you're gonna jack the man's post, please don't be so antagonistic and short-sighted about it. No need for a spin off. The brotha asked a legitimate question that many of hold close as a common denominator when considering making a move. Sorry to hear about the accent discrimination...but branding it as racist is really grasping for straws.
Anyway, eldavid87, if you happen to be interested in Central Europe, particularly Germany and Hungary, and need an opinion and info, PM me.
Peace. |
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eldavid87

Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 4
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the advice/info that ppl have given. It's been extremely valuable as it helped guide me to an important choice. I have decided that I will teach in Tokyo next year!
Haha SF21 Iwas thnkin the same thing. Looks like the thread did get robbed - a shame cos I know that I myself have spent a lot of time trawling thru threads like this one looking for very specific information to help me make a very difficult decision. I'm sure others will do the same with this.
No worries tho cos I've got what I needed. Time to start learning Japanese! I've posted another piece of very useful advice that I received, from what seems to be a good source, below for anyone that needs it:
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i am a black British teacher in Tokyo and been here since 1999 started as a conversation school teacher now work freelance teaching/training in companies and have my own private business. Japan is considered the most friendly place to work for non whites native teachers. I have had no major problems here due to race and in fact experienced less racism than back in the UK. I know many blacks and others happily working here also Korea, China. The daves website unfortunatley does not get a lot of posts from non white teachers so you dont get the full picture. I have travelled all over Asia and had no big problems. I would say get your teaching certificate and consider Japan, Korea both good for saving money also. Vietnam is also good place to work. Go where ever you are interested and dont take too much notice from this board, i was similar to you when i first came to Japan and if i had took notice i would never have come. Racism exists all places but as i said i have experienced more racism in multicultural Britain than i have in Japan and other Asian countries. |
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parrothead

Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 342 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| Good luck with your Japanese endeavors, David. I don't think you will experience much racism in Japan because you are black. If anything, you'll just get a lot of stares and a few giggles. But just about every foreigner gets that. See you in the Japan forums! |
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