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Paying to volunteer teach -- Any opinions?
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sarahg



Joined: 27 Jun 2008
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Location: San Diego, CA

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nkenga wrote:
I'm going to break away from the pack and say - go for it! With some caveats.

I honestly don't think it's unreasonable to leave school for a semester if you are actually doing something with that time, which you definite would be by teaching in another country. With that said, do you have an actual plan for returning? As other posters have said, it's easy to leave, but hard as heck to return. Make sure you have an actual plan for yourself, and if your parents are paying for your education, make sure they are still WILLING to pay for it even if you leave for a semester.

Is this company legit? It sounds like they might be if they are referred to in Forbes. If you can, shoot an e-mail to the author of the article/column that you saw to see if he/she can give you a little more information, or at least their contact person.

Are there other opportunities that are less expensive, or that pay you? I agree with you, it's not unreasonable to pay for your training and your living expenses, but can you find a legitimate place that will pay YOU, or pay for the training and the expenses without you putting out for it? Just a thought.

I think taking some time out to make certain of your educational goals is a GREAT idea. However, as I said before, it is easy to leave, but hard to return. I left school after four years with only 8 credits to finish (I ran out of money), and did not return for over 10 YEARS!!! During that time I work in social work, doing health education and outreach for a non-profit organization, I lived in a few different cities, and in general lived my life. I don't regret the time I spent out of school, and in fact I would have returned sooner if I had a plan for what I wanted to do with the degree, but it is SO EASY to leave, and often SO HARD to return!


I do have a concrete plan to return. I'll be registering for winter and spring classes while abroad -- I contacted my school and made sure I'll do that. My parents are against me taking time off (they call it "dropping out of college") but have specified that they will help me whenever I choose to go back to school. And honestly, I'd feel bad returning right now, spending their money when I don't even know what to do with it. I've got all requirements out of the way and only major classes left to take, so any "exploring" I do will be at the cost of $30k a year -- that's why I figured taking time off would be a good idea. Plus, I'm just completely sick of academia and would like to experience other aspects of the world, without forcing myself to wait 2+ more years.

The organization I listed is the least expensive of the "volunteer vacations" I found. I googled around, and came across a couple of blog posts implying that it is legit. I did come across a nonprofit NGO today, recommended by Thorn Tree posters, that offers English teaching opportunities. It would be a bit rougher of a trip as I'd have to arrange things like transportation from the airport to my project location on my own (my solo travel experience consists of American airports and day trips around southern CA, haha), but I'm looking into it to see if it is feasible.

Those who mentioned volunteering in the US -- I'm not sure about the state my college is in, but for the summer, I am not allowed to be in a classroom with children in CA until I've had a certain number of educational credits, so that's not an option yet. Plus, if I took the semester off, I'm not sure where I could live around here that short term rent + food + other costs wouldn't exceed $2000 anyways.

Anyways, thanks for all the viewpoints. I am looking into opportunities with nonprofit organizations -- unfortunately it just seems like most of those are saving sea turtles or other environmental projects.
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nickpellatt



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have 'volunteered'in the manner that you mention. I have done it twice in fact! First time was in kenya, where I 'worked' in community developement, and the second time was to work as an English teacher in China. Both of these trips were in 2006.

'Voluntourism' is pretty big business these days, and tends to be pretty popular with backpackers and gapyear people. It is rarely a popular choice on TEFL boards though.

From my experience in volunteering, I would say it is nigh on impossible to find a position in a 100% genuine charitable organisation to volunteer with for a short time. Its also quite common that you need to be very well qualified to work for these organisations too.

The people who are in need, already have enough disadvantages, so the last thing they need is backpackers types who are going to swing in for a few months, drink beer and try to shag the locals, whilst doing a fairly shitty job at the same time. When I was looking at some international charities, they required applicants who really were highly qualified...much more so than I am!

So like most people who 'volunteer', you will be with a company who DO make a profit from your trip. It is also likely you will NOT be working with the most disadvantaged people in the community, and your 'work' will probably be minimal. You might also be volunteering with the type of backpackers I mention above.

You need to be aware of that, and accept it. It is great to think you are 'giving something to those in need', and yeah, perhaps you do help some people....but generally.....it isnt always like that.

So why do it? Well, those of us on the boards like this who have lived and worked in other countries dont always appreciate how brave and bold a move living and working in foreign climes really is! Perhaps they are quite adventurous by nature, and perhaps you arent...I certainly wasnt!

For years I had wanted to go to Africa, and had seen TV shows with people living in remote areas and villages and it was something I really wanted to do/experience.

I had never travelled to anywhere other than Ibiza for summer holidays! And so didnt have a clue about how to get to Africa!

So I went with a gap year company. I paid �600 for a single months placement, which would sound insane to most readers. Some of this money (although not much) went to the CBO I stayed with....they collected me from a tiny airport and drove me 200km to stay in a small town. They gave me a few token jobs to do.....and I had a great time. So much so I went back for 3 months in a private agreement with the CBO.

I also went to China and did volunteer teaching on a similar program. This was �699 for 3 months. And included a months orientation, placement at a middle school with accomodation and meals included.

Yes, people made money on both these programs. At times my work was not really worthwhile, and I was sometimes taken less than seriously...but I dont regret it for a moment. Both trips were awesome, and ultimately...I would never have been able to do them without the volunteer company.

I am honest enough to say that I am not a brave enough traveller to do these things on my own, and whilst these trips dont represent total value for money, they do make things somewhat easier for a newbie. From this point of view, I would say 'go for it'!

I wanted to post my little story, as I know many people on the board cant understand why anyone would pay to volunteer. My point is that it really is a bold thing to travel and work (in any capacity) in another country/culture. And its easy to forget that. Im sure we all have friends and family at home who are sometimes in awe of us having the courage to travel and work like this, and these same people at home are spellbound by some of our travel stories too!

My voluntourism was in 2006. The reason I am still on this board is that after my volunteer TEFL experience in 2006, I took a paid position in early 2007 as an English teacher (in China), and have been working in this field ever since, and see it as a career for me now.
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Def



Joined: 09 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sarahg wrote:
Those who mentioned volunteering in the US -- I'm not sure about the state my college is in, but for the summer, I am not allowed to be in a classroom with children in CA until I've had a certain number of educational credits, so that's not an option yet. Plus, if I took the semester off, I'm not sure where I could live around here that short term rent + food + other costs wouldn't exceed $2000 anyways.


Well, I wasn't really suggesting you take the semester off in order to volunteer locally. It was more in addition to keeping up with your studies. Also, the local school was just a random idea, and I wouldn't expect you to be allowed in a class by yourself with children. Even in DipEd's here, we're technically not allowed to be left alone, due to the whole duty of care issue. I'm not sure about being in a class with a qualified teacher though, over there, which is why I mentioned it. The point was really more just to suggest you consider other options, be it a school, local language centre, tutoring, etc, just as a way to see if you even like teaching, before paying someone thousands of dollars to find out.


sarahg wrote:
Plus, I'm just completely sick of academia and would like to experience other aspects of the world, without forcing myself to wait 2+ more years.


Heh, I think pretty much everyone gets sick of academia during their undergrad degree (at least, 90% of people I know did, including myself), so leaving for a while becomes a tempting idea. As I said previously, I'm sure for some people taking a break and going back to study refreshed is the suitable path, so I'm not trying to discourage you per se. But it's also just a very alluring idea, to leave for a while, and one that isn't exactly uncommon. So I'd suggest you are really, really certain you're doing it because you feel you need time to sort your own goals out, rather than you're just sick of studying... because the study isn't going to go away, and dragging it out can be more painful than just getting it done.

Regardless, if you do leave and volunteer, I'd suggest at least making sure you're doing something with as reputable an organisation as possible, and don't find yourself in an unpleasant situation.


nickpellatt wrote:
The people who are in need, already have enough disadvantages, so the last thing they need is backpackers types who are going to swing in for a few months, drink beer and try to shag the locals, whilst doing a fairly shitty job at the same time.


Ah, you hit the nail right on the head there. That is one of my all-time pet hates about people who go off to volunteer-teach somewhere disadvantaged, without any acknowledgeable skills. Really, it may make you feel good to think you're 'helping', but if you don't actually have anything you can offer people... what are you there for? Yourself, or the people you're trying to help?
Unfortunately all the good-will in the world can't make up for having no sound capability to really help in the area. And no, I'm not trying to discredit people who genuinely want to be 'out there making a difference', I think it's quite admirable, but the practicality of the situation is somewhat different to the dream if you can't be of valuable use.

Of course the flip side argument is along the (to be quite unpoetic about it) 'beggars can't be choosers' line. There is always the 'someone is better than no one' approach, and if everyone who volunteered had to first be swimming in degrees/diplomas/phds/etc, there would undoubtedly be quite the shortage of people helping out.

Tricky, really.
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parrothead



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nickpellatt raises some good points. I've been nomadic for some time now that I often forget what it was like the first time I went abroad. Having a support system in place could certainly loosen tense nerves if you've never been out of the country on your own.
I still wouldn't pay to volunteer.
If you do, however, look for those organizations with the most transparency. Writing "volunteered in Costa Rica" might look snazzy enough on a resume, but I wouldn't fool myself into thinking I benefited anyone other than the voluntour group much.
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sarahg



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, after a lot of searching on the Thorn Tree forums I've found a local nonprofit NGO that accepts volunteers. The placement fees are $30 and after that you only pay $15/day of room and board. Here is the website: http://www.asvocr.org/english/home.php

Does this sound like a better experience? It seems to offer a good balance of guidance and independent travel. There's someone to connect me with projects and give me training/orientation when I get into town, but I'm responsible for my own transportation around the country. There would also be a little more flexibility about projects -- I could work at the teaching project for a couple of months, then volunteer at some of the national parks or turtle rescue projects for a week or so each as well. Seems like the accommodations might not be as nice (all the volunteers in one host house instead of private bedrooms with a host family), but at least no one is profiting off my cash, and it'd be a good $1000 cheaper. And because they accept local volunteers, don't charge much (I doubt I could get a bed and three meals for $15/day otherwise), and don't seem to require you to pay in advance over the internet, it doesn't seem to be an organization that exists to rip off tourists.
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Jetgirly



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a friend who went to Kenya on a volunteer exchange through our local Rotary club. If I were you, I would start by contacting local charities, non-profits, schools, etc. See if they already have arrangements with organizations in other countries, and see if you could get involved. If you're willing to pay for your own airfare, you may find they offer you room and board, or a living allowance.
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herzog



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:59 pm    Post subject: paying to volunteer.....? Reply with quote

Evil or Very Mad It is indeed ridiculous. I almost fell for it just before I went to India. These orgs that exploit people's altruism are a real oddity. Initially, I figured going for one of them would at least put something on my resume. You know what? You can find places to volunteer at on your own, and before you even get on a plane. Cut out these abusive middlemen: here's what I did. I scanned the Web for churches and schools in south India, and came across one: St. Joseph, a private school near Qilon, Kerala. Many such places have their own website. Just get in touch with the owner or manager directly. The one at St. Joseph responded immediately and urged that I make all haste to his school. I did. Here was his deal: I assist an Indian teacher for esl and western history. In return, I get a free room and free food as long as I eat on campus, and I have weekends to myself. No hassle and not a penny asked. I stayed at that school five months, and only spent when I'd go to Alleypey on weekends. Do it that way: ignore these orgs that pose as volunteer groups. Laughing
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Song&Dance



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pay to volunteer?

Where can I sign up to pay to donate blood?
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