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trapezius



Joined: 13 Aug 2006
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Location: Land of Culture of Death & Destruction

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fasting is obligatory upon every Muslim male and female who has reached the age of puberty (over 12 yrs).


First you say puberty, and then you say over 12 years...? Puberty is not over 12 (or X) years, puberty is... puberty. It can happen any time between the ages of 10 and 16, although I am sure ages beyond those limits have been observed in medical literature.

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I am wondering (Koran experts) if there is some exception made for elite sportspeople to drink during Ramadan?


No, no waivers for sportspeople.

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I find it hard to believe that elite runners can maintain 2-3 hours a day of intensive exercise, and not drinking anything while engaged in strenous exercise!


And where do you see these elite runners in the Muslim world? Not to say that they don't exist, but there are only a few of them. Those who choose to fast obviously have to put a halt to their training during fast hours.

BTW, I am completely with johnslat, veiledsentiments, 007, and ghost with regards to how Ramadhan is observed in most Muslim countries these days, especially in the Gulf Arab countries. It is downright disgusting and sickening. What I find blatantly egregious are all the ads (TV, billboards, etc) by food companies that exploit Ramadhan and Eid to sell their products, with extremely cheesy -- not to mention, factually inaccurate -- lines such as "Have the best this Ramadhan", or "Treat your health this Ramadhan", etc. They are always for the unhealthiest of products like corn oil, white sugar, puff/filo pastry, white rice, ghee, instant noodles, etc. It really gets to me and gets me down. How I wish they would go out of business, first of all for selling the sh*t that they sell which leads to countless lifestyle diseases, and second, for fooling people even during Ramadhan to make them think they are selling something good.

Utterly shameless.

As for the people, yeah, the all-night-long orgies of eating, music, smoking, watching TV are unbelievable. And the parents? They are the worst of all... letting their kids stay up all night, and then us teachers have to deal with them all dopey in class. And everything you say to them elicits the "I am fasting" response. Sure, but when you were eating, watching TV, and roaming outside till 4 am you didn't think of fasting, did you? But tell them to study, listen, concentrate, etc, and they quickly blame it on fasting and pretend to be good little Muslims.

There is so much more to comment on, but there is no need. All you have to do is go out a but during the month and keep your eyes open.

Oh how the Prophet must be saddened.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, exactly, the reality is Ramadhan is a silly month....right Stephen? Is that seriously what you're saying. Just take a moment to think about that.
I'm afraid you're the one that needs to stop and think.

You are of course free not to find it silly that
a) in the month of fasting Gulf residents eat more than at any other time and typically gain two or three kilos.
b) that one of the spiritual virtues of fasting is thought to be sympathy for those obliged to labour in less fortunate conditions, so the Gulf resident spends all day sleeping (whether at home or in class or at work being irrelevant).
c) that in a month devoted to examining one's religion Saudi drivers in the hour before the fast ends display more ill-temper and recklessness than they do normally.
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Junaid



Joined: 02 Sep 2006
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Location: Riyadh, KSA.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prior to my first post there were only three others. I specifically replied to John's statement: 'I thought Ramadan WAS the silly month', which he later clarified by saying: 'It's not at all the month I meant to call silly but rather the way it is observed by far too many Muslims in Saudi Arabia'

This distinction hadn't been made previously. So my response was solely in demurral to calling the religious month silly not the way it's observed by some Muslims. And as it appears that you're also referring to the latter and not the theological idea of the holy month itself, let's just put this one down to a misunderstanding.

So, on to the next exciting contretemps...
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johnslat



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Junaid.
I'm sorry to have been the cause of your misunderstanding. It's hard for me to see, though, why you would think I would call a month itself "silly." I mean, why would any thirty, thirty one or twenty-eight days (twenty-nine on leap years) be silly in and of themselves?
And I thought the rest of my original post:

" . . . day becomes night, night becomes day, and if you're actually trying to teach classes during the fasting month, well, lots of luck."

would have made clear that it was not the month itself but rather the behavior of some Muslims (so contrary to the real meaning and intent of Ramadan) that I was referring to.

Regards,
John
P.S. Like veiledsentiments, I have the same feelings about the "Christmas season." It, too, has become for so many a travesty that completely disregards and degrades the original intent.
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a_ibrahim



Joined: 31 May 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:35 pm    Post subject: Fasting & Teaching Reply with quote

I truly found it next to impossible to teach last year during Ramadan. Students are hungry and exhausted during the month because they are up so late at night. Even with shortened classes and starting later it was difficult. That's why I'm happy that classes begin after Ramadan this year.
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Sheikh N Bake



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should see the tempers flare in the electricty-bill-payment line during Ramadan at Ras al Khaimah (you can't pay online there). It's really quite comic. Or at least it was when they had that old office straight out of Lawrence of Arabia. Some local guy would be gesticulating and screaming bloody murder because there was just one inefficient clerk using one unreliable computer...and just when you thought your line might be advancing, some woman would amble up to the head of the line with 50 or 75 bills to pay. Maybe the lines move faster in the new facility.
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