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ScottishMike



Joined: 21 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 1:06 pm    Post subject: Students and teachers Reply with quote

Since there are so many poor quality schools and eikaiwa in Japan, many of which SEEM to be financially successful (correct me if I`m wrong)Confused


Do you think that students are willing to pay more if they believe the lessons are better?

Do you think that teachers work harder if the conditions are better?

I`ve heard over and over that students want to pay the lowest possible for lessons, is this a matter of consumer education Question

If they were informed that, when it comes to schools, you often get what you pay for, would they splash the extra cash????


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avahanian



Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 6:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Students and teachers Reply with quote

ScottishMike wrote:

Do you think that students are willing to pay more if they believe the lessons are better?


This is a tough question.....me personally, yes I'd pay more if I was sure I'd get a quality lesson. But, at least most younger students, their parents pay for the classes so I'm not sure if that applies to them.

As for the older students, most students I've had, have told me that they would rather pay more and get a quality lesson.

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Do you think that teachers work harder if the conditions are better?


Definitely!

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I`ve heard over and over that students want to pay the lowest possible for lessons, is this a matter of consumer education Question


Well it's like any investment you make, especially in investment in yourself, you want to make sure you are getting a good deal and not getting ripped off.

But taking English classes are (or at least, should be) taken more seriously than buying groceries or a mobile phone. There should be more research done and more time taken to make a decision. I know this doesn't always happen, but, I think each student should check out a few schools and see which one is a better fit for him/her.

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If they were informed that, when it comes to schools, you often get what you pay for, would they splash the extra cash????


I personally would, but again, the students whose parents are paying....maybe won't be as interested.
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Avahanian,
How can you give this guy an answer about Japanese people when you don't live or work in Japan? Your advice stems from one job in Spain.

ScottishMike,
The simple answer to your questions is, it will be case by case.

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Do you think that students are willing to pay more if they believe the lessons are better?

Eikaiwa students come for a variety of reasons. Picking up travel English. Killing an hour a week. Socializing with friends. Hoping to meet a foreigner. Improving one's English. That last one is usually near the bottom of the list, so it depends on how many people are going for that reason. In my experience in Japan, there are more people who go for all the other reasons.

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Do you think that teachers work harder if the conditions are better?

I would have to guess that the majority of eikaiwa teachers don't even have teaching-related backgrounds or notions of staying past a couple of years. They are in Japan to earn some money while they enjoy the surroundings. Most are fresh out of college and are trying to pay off student loans. In my opinion, the ones that would work harder are ones that work hard in the first place, and from my experience, that has been two groups: people with teaching backgrounds, rare people who are already dedicated to the work ethic.
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Sherri



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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Location: The Big Island, Hawaii

PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to work at one of the better private language schools and we did a lot of market research into this kind of topic.

Q1 Do you think that students are willing to pay more if they believe the lessons are better?

Depends on the students. If the students are learning English for a specific goal, such as for a job promotion, then the answer is usually yes. If the students just want to study English as a hobby or for travel, probably no.

The single most important consideration of potential English student is not the quality of the lesson, the professional teachers, it is location. Students care most about where the school is and if it is easy to get to from their home or workplace.

Q2 Do you think that teachers work harder if the conditions are better?

If you start out and hire teachers with a professional outlook then I believe that the teachers will be more motivated if they work for a school which offers above average conditions. Also if you want better teachers you are competing with colleges and universities, so you have to be prepared to offer longer holidays and a higher base salary to attract them and keep them.

Q3 I`ve heard over and over that students want to pay the lowest possible for lessons, is this a matter of consumer education

This is not necessarily true. Some students are looking for cheap classes, but as said before serious students will pay what they believe is necessary--but they will complain heartily if they don't get good quality lessons and services from the school.

Q4 If they were informed that, when it comes to schools, you often get what you pay for, would they splash the extra cash????

There is a market for these kinds of students but it is much smaller than the Nova market.

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ScottishMike



Joined: 21 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:

ScottishMike,
The simple answer to your questions is, it will be case by case.


I can tell you live in Japan!! Very Happy

Thanks for all your advice.

Sherri, I realise that location is number one, but I am also looking for numbers 2 3 4 and 5 on the scale. I think that some of the huge market NOVA et al get includes people that aren`t actually in that market at all...

All advice welcomed and appreciated!

My brain feels fried today, so I`m going before I type more mistakes.

Thanks again Exclamation
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